Do we owe Muslims another apology?

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One issue at a time.

I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?

I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.

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Reading your posts is like watching a cat eat it's own kittens.
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Thanks for that.

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Jax wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 12:16 pm Reading your posts is like watching a cat eat it's own kittens.
Whose posts are you talking about. Comparing one to a cannibalistic animal is not an evidence based argument.
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neilgodfrey wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 3:24 pm
Jax wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 12:16 pm Reading your posts is like watching a cat eat it's own kittens.
Whose posts are you talking about. Comparing one to a cannibalistic animal is not an evidence based argument.
Actually I was talking about Gnostic Bishop. I thought it would be obvious.
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Gnostic Bishop wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.

I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?

I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.

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DL
I would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.
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neilgodfrey wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.

I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?

I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.

Regards
DL
I would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.
Sharia law belies what you put about Islam.

Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ

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Gnostic Bishop wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 am
neilgodfrey wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.

I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?

I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.

Regards
DL
I would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.
Sharia law belies what you put about Islam.

Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ

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The links I provided pointed to the supporting evidence for my claim that Muslims also want to live in secular democratic societies. You don't seem to be aware that Sharia law has many varying applications. Of course any laws that contravene human rights according to the UN declaration should not be permitted but that's true of all religions and cultures.
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neilgodfrey wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:42 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 am
neilgodfrey wrote: Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 9:58 am One issue at a time.

I also believe that there would be usefulness if specialist researched into the behaviours etc. of various groups?

I believe that the governments should actively be advising the population on the best religions in their midst so that the least moral ones might shrink and die.

Regards
DL
I would rather support the notion that many people seem to favour, including Muslims, -- the separation of church and state; a secular state that inculcates basic humanistic values through secular education.
Sharia law belies what you put about Islam.

Freedom of speech is a democratic forte. It is not a Muslim one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... TdKxCz2FIQ

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DL
The links I provided pointed to the supporting evidence for my claim that Muslims also want to live in secular democratic societies. You don't seem to be aware that Sharia law has many varying applications. Of course any laws that contravene human rights according to the UN declaration should not be permitted but that's true of all religions and cultures.
Of course some few do. Most do not or we would not be having the Muslim problem in so many countries.

You might want to look at the stats of the common Muslin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... SPvnFDDQHk

Do the minority or even the majority matter? Not when they all fly the same flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?

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When you read about Muslim societies by Muslims themselves and by researchers (sociologists, historians, anthropologists, political scientists) then you will have a better idea how to interpret the stats, how to interpret the questions asked and the difference between what is said and what is not said.

There is a "Muslim immigrant" problem in many places in Europe (not in Spain for some reason that is worth consideration) but not in others. The differences should be noted and understood.

Actually most Muslims really are just like you and me. Most want to live in secular democracies. Most do not support their extremist leaders. Muslims and researchers themselves confirm this. How about actually following up the sources that others link to -- confront a different point of view.
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