Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:35 pm
Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
https://earlywritings.com/forum/
Date of Post | Description of Event | Injured Party | Claimed Responsible Party | Level of Belief | Reason for Belief |
4-21-18 | Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes | Victims of Jewish crimes | Jews who identify as Jews | Conclusion | Antisemitism |
4-20-18 | Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria | Disputed if anyone was injured | The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. | Conclusion | Russian produced video |
He says as the views go over 10,000.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 pm do you really think anyone is reading your OCD posts, Joe?
[/troll confession]. This from someone who constantly accuses/censors people at his site of trolling for supposedly not dealing with the topic or answering a question.I'm certainly not.
This reminds me of The Boy from New York City, Richard Jeni, when he was doing stand-up comedy down under and making fun of the locals when inevitably someone would stand up and say, "Ya'll probably think we're just a bunch of red-necked wankers and tossers hicks". How do you respond to that?I just see some more print in a blur by Joe once a month when I look down at this part of the forum and think, you really do have a bad case of a very unhealthy OCD. Even sadder, you probably think this comment is proof that you are somehow making your point.
JW:matzoh1234 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:06 am Oy vay my dear Godfree, as your compatriot Rod Laver used to say “game, set, and match”. Thanks for playing, and do keep us informed when the GAGA (Godfree-Atzmon) tour hits the road.
Of course, Putz should be ascribed whenever referring to Atzmon, but the acronym pushed back.
The Wandering Who, pages 187-189Imagine an Israeli PM wakes up one sunny morning with the unusual determination to bring about true peace. In the wee small hours, wisdom embraces him or her. He or she realises that Israel is in fact Palestine: it is stretched over historic Palestine at the expense of the Palestinian people, their livelihood and their history. He or she grasps that the Palestinians are the indigenous people of the land, and the rockets they shoot from time to time are nothing but love letters to their stolen villages, orchards, vineyards and fields. Our imaginary Israeli PM realises that the so-called Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be resolved in 25 minutes once both people decide to live together. Following the Israeli unilateral tradition, an immediate televised press conference is called on the same day at 14:00. Captivated by true righteousness, the PM announces to the world and his/her people ‘Israel realises its unique circumstances and its responsibility for world peace. Israel calls the Palestinian people to return to their homes. The Jewish state is to become a state of its citizens, where all people enjoy full equal rights’.
Though shocked by the sudden Israeli move, political analysts around the world would be quick to realise that, considering Israel is the representative of world Jewry, such a simple peaceful initiative won’t just resolve the conflict in the Middle East, it would also bring to an end two millennia of mutual suspicion and resentfulness between Christians and Jews. Some right-wing Israeli academics, ideologists and politicians join the revolutionary initiative and declare that such a heroic unilateral Israeli act could be the one and only total and comprehensive fulfilment of the Zionist dream, for not only have Jews returned to their alleged historical home, they also have managed, at last, to love their neighbours and be loved in return.
As much as such an idea is thrilling, we shouldn’t expect it to happen any time soon, for Israel is the Jewish state and Jewishness is an ethno-centric ideology driven by exclusiveness, exceptionalism, racial supremacy and a deep inherent inclination toward segregation.
For Israel and Israelis to become people like other people, all traces of Jewish ideological superiority must be eliminated first. For the Jewish state to lead a peace initiative, Israel must be de-Zionised – it should first stop being the Jewish State. Similarly, in order for an imaginary Israeli PM to bring peace about, he or she must be de-Zionised first.
As things stand, the Jewish State is categorically unable to lead the region into reconciliation. It lacks the necessary ingredients needed to think in terms of harmony and reconciliation.
The only people who can bring peace about are the Palestinians, because Palestine, against all odds and in spite of the endless suffering, humiliation and oppression, is still an ethically-driven ecumenical society.
As far as Jews are concerned, a few questions remain. Can the Jewish identity discourse be liberated from its self-imposed ideological and spiritual tyranny? Can Jewish politics drift away from supremacy? Can Jews save themselves? My answer is simple: for Jewish ideology to universalise itself and for Jews to move on and emancipate themselves, a vigorous and honest process of self-reflection must take place. Whether Jews can engage in such a critical endeavour is an open question. I don’t know the answer, I guess that some can, others can’t. I would hope, though, that this book may offer a fairly good start.
Date of Post | Description of Event | Injured Party | Claimed Responsible Party | Level of Belief | Reason for Belief |
4-22-18 | Historical persecution of Jews by non-Jews | Jews | Jews | Conclusion | Portman refused to accept award in Israel |
4-21-18 | Which category of Jews are guilty of crimes | Victims of Jewish crimes | Jews who identify as Jews | Conclusion | Antisemitism |
4-20-18 | Alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria | Disputed if anyone was injured | The White Helmets NGO. Atzmon claims they staged fake evidence for a chemical weapons attack. | Conclusion | Russian produced video |
I have read many books on the Palestinians, including ones focusing on Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, and Arab governments in the Middle East, and have long been aware of the financial support that is given by various groups families of those who have lost children as suicide bombers. (That you seem to have just discovered this information and that you needed Breitbart to eventually inform you of it tells me that you are very ignorant of the situation in Palestine.)John T wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:07 pm "The New York Times made what some observers are calling the “correction of the year” in admitting the Palestinian Authority does, in fact, pay terrorists’ families."...breitbart
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... -families/
Say it isn't so Neil, say it isn't so.