Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
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They should if it was. But socialism is not simply caring for people. Socialism is only one system that can support a society like other systems also can do. There are strengths as well as weaknesses with this system as there are with other systems. Americans seems to have a very simplistic view of socialism across the political spectrum.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:48 pm If socialism is caring for people, should the U.S. Of A. not get more socialist?
I agree with your last. That is likely due to the dumbing down that the government has been doing for some time now.Thor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:00 amThey should if it was. But socialism is not simply caring for people. Socialism is only one system that can support a society like other systems also can do. There are strengths as well as weaknesses with this system as there are with other systems. Americans seems to have a very simplistic view of socialism across the political spectrum.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:48 pm If socialism is caring for people, should the U.S. Of A. not get more socialist?
Well, the intention behind the working class pulling each others weight when needed was of mutual benefit. Individualism and self-realization have no place in such system, you keep it to your spare time. Social medical and education systems as you call them, exists to secure a productive population. Healthy worker = productive worker, Educated worker = productive worker. In good times you put into the system, in bad times you get back from the system. Stability is security.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:05 pm
In the social democratic balance that most Western countries are doing, including supply of a social medical and education systems, what do you see as the weakness?
Regards
DL
How does the government dumb people down?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:05 pm
That is likely due to the dumbing down that the government has been doing for some time now.
In a variety of ways which show the results in the U.S. losing ground to the rest of the world.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:13 amAbsolutely.Well, the intention behind the working class pulling each others weight when needed was of mutual benefit. Individualism and self-realization have no place in such system, you keep it to your spare time. Social medical and education systems as you call them, exists to secure a productive population. Healthy worker = productive worker, Educated worker = productive worker. In good times you put into the system, in bad times you get back from the system. Stability is security.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:05 pm
In the social democratic balance that most Western countries are doing, including supply of a social medical and education systems, what do you see as the weakness?
Regards
DL
Do you see the keywords here? Productive worker. Healthy worker. Privileges AND duties.
Do you see that if all are not included in societies thinking, that you are throwing the sick, unprivileged an weakest of our society under the bus?
As I said, social programs are caring programs and I do nit see any caring in what you put.How does the government dumb people down?Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:05 pm
That is likely due to the dumbing down that the government has been doing for some time now.
All I see is the rejection of personal responsibility.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:36 pm
In a variety of ways which show the results in the U.S. losing ground to the rest of the world.
This link entertainingly hits the nail on the head and the second shows another way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo&app=desktop
Regards
DL
To elaborate. You get the society you create. You know, socialism. What you imply is that it could be imposed, and we all know where such foolish ideas lead.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:00 pmAll I see is the rejection of personal responsibility.Gnostic Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:36 pm
In a variety of ways which show the results in the U.S. losing ground to the rest of the world.
This link entertainingly hits the nail on the head and the second shows another way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo&app=desktop
Regards
DL
When we read what Karl Marx wrote about human nature and society we see that what you have described is the fruits of a capitalist system (according to Marx). It was capitalism, according to Marx, that reduced the person to the level of a "worker" such that the person became alienated from his true self and full human potential. He became merely a means to production, a form of capital, existing only to produce and add value to things.Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:13 am Individualism and self-realization have no place in such system, you keep it to your spare time. Social medical and education systems as you call them, exists to secure a productive population. Healthy worker = productive worker, Educated worker = productive worker. In good times you put into the system, in bad times you get back from the system. Stability is security.
Do you see the keywords here? Productive worker. Healthy worker. Privileges AND duties.