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Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as God’s master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

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Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above God’s written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

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Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as God’s master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

-----------------------------------------

Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above God’s written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

----------------------------------------

Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

Regards
DL
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We are not enemies as far as I remember.

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as God’s master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

-----------------------------------------

Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above God’s written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

----------------------------------------

Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

Regards
DL
Yes, Gods are man-made and therefore no one can be the slave of any god.

I like, " A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master "
To be continued
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iskander

Thanks for liking some of what I put.


"Yes, Gods are man-made and therefore no one can be the slave of any god."

If I was one of the unfortunate second class slaves that some immature gods endorse, Allah as one example, I might not agree with your last. Half the word, the female half, not only in Islam, are less than second class slaves. Quite a shame.

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Gnostic Bishop wrote:iskander

Thanks for liking some of what I put.


"Yes, Gods are man-made and therefore no one can be the slave of any god."

If I was one of the unfortunate second class slaves that some immature gods endorse, Allah as one example, I might not agree with your last. Half the word, the female half, not only in Islam, are less than second class slaves. Quite a shame.

Regards
DL
I like what you write , Gods are indeed man-made .

Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?
Yes, the New Testament shows God to be more like a man than the Old Testament did . The god of the OT is a vile destructor of human lives; flood. fire. plagues and the holocaust of the population of Canaan, ...
The NT has the same God sending a man with the power to teach the God of the OT humane manners. The vile Temple is declared extinct in the new commonwealth .Man is the lord of circumcision and of the Sabbath and of the enslaving ritual ...


Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?
Yes indeed , the laws of a country are to be obeyed by all the people of that country. Religious people are free to practise the religion of their choice for as long as that practice does not break the law of the land.
Since God is man-made the laws approved by Parliament can only be intended for people of any religious persuasion.
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iskander wrote:
Gnostic Bishop wrote:iskander

Thanks for liking some of what I put.


"Yes, Gods are man-made and therefore no one can be the slave of any god."

If I was one of the unfortunate second class slaves that some immature gods endorse, Allah as one example, I might not agree with your last. Half the word, the female half, not only in Islam, are less than second class slaves. Quite a shame.

Regards
DL
I like what you write , Gods are indeed man-made .

Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?
Yes, the New Testament shows God to be more like a man than the Old Testament did . The god of the OT is a vile destructor of human lives; flood. fire. plagues and the holocaust of the population of Canaan, ...
The NT has the same God sending a man with the power to teach the God of the OT humane manners. The vile Temple is declared extinct in the new commonwealth .Man is the lord of circumcision and of the Sabbath and of the enslaving ritual ...


Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws?
Yes indeed , the laws of a country are to be obeyed by all the people of that country. Religious people are free to practise the religion of their choice for as long as that practice does not break the law of the land.
Since God is man-made the laws approved by Parliament can only be intended for people of any religious persuasion.
Very nice. Thanks.

Regards
DL
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General Election 2017

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39684530


Thank you , it is both pleasant and instructive to talk with you.
Why do you think people who are the way they are complain so much about Christianity? I no longer understand this bunch of hysterical people.
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iskander wrote:General Election 2017

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39684530


Thank you , it is both pleasant and instructive to talk with you.
Why do you think people who are the way they are complain so much about Christianity? I no longer understand this bunch of hysterical people.
It is not hysteria.
It is people who care about people trying to bring them into a better thinking pattern.

Those who you see as hysterical are following biblically sound advice. There is not much of that in scriptures but the good advice should not be ignored.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

The more intelligent and civilized we collectively get, the less religion we need or want.
We begin to recognize how the imams, priests and preachers have been lying to us and reject them, as we should.

More of us are starting to be free thinkers, like Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians, as well as agnostic and atheist.

I see that as good because where there is less emphasis on God, immorality and violence seem to be reducing. At least that is what the statistics are saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2h-5 ... r_embedded

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DL
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Gnostic Bishop wrote:
iskander wrote:General Election 2017

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39684530


Thank you , it is both pleasant and instructive to talk with you.
Why do you think people who are the way they are complain so much about Christianity? I no longer understand this bunch of hysterical people.
It is not hysteria.
It is people who care about people trying to bring them into a better thinking pattern.

Those who you see as hysterical are following biblically sound advice. There is not much of that in scriptures but the good advice should not be ignored.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

The more intelligent and civilized we collectively get, the less religion we need or want.
We begin to recognize how the imams, priests and preachers have been lying to us and reject them, as we should.

More of us are starting to be free thinkers, like Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians, as well as agnostic and atheist.

I see that as good because where there is less emphasis on God, immorality and violence seem to be reducing. At least that is what the statistics are saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2h-5 ... r_embedded

Regards
DL
You may be right :)
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