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"The Mushroom in Christian Art"
by John A. Rush

"Originally published in 2011 ‘The Mushroom in Christian Art – The Identity of Jesus in the Development of Christianity’ by John A. Rush is a well-needed addition to a burgeoning research area in psychedelic studies; namely the possible role hallucinogenic mushrooms took in the Christian religion. Rush has previously published works like ‘Spiritual Tattoo’ and ‘Failed God’ and although some of his other works have brushed against the mushroom-Christianity question, this is his first concentrated effort in the area" ~psypressuk

http://psypressuk.com/2011/03/04/litera ... hn-a-rush/

John Allegro's "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" - a Gnostic Media exclusive video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOu9tV6uy2E

John Marco Allegro - An Interview with Judith Anne Brown (excerpt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVOx_9MOkGU

UnSpun 043 – “Dr Hans Utter: Hegemonic Discourse of the Mushroom God"
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Ananda,

Who-wee you sure do have a thing about Amanita Muscaria mushrooms ...

You may illegally hunt for the real mushrooms in the Holden Arboretum located near Solon, Ohio. One of Gordon Wasson's photos in Amanita Muscaria, Divine Mushroom of Immortality was labeled as being taken there. Since it was summer 1985 or 86 when I read this, I went there (purely out of curiosity of course), and did find a number growing there in a clearing, surrounded by pine and birch trees. It was posted on the trail that it was illegal to harvest the plant life so I did not, and even if I did, I'd be risking my life to try to consume one, regardless of form (for the ignorant, there are three forms of ingestation, of which things I am sure Ananda is aware). As liver transplants were hard to come by here in the USA in the late 1980s, I demurred.

Now, having previously heard anecdotal accounts of Psilocybe "trips" from acquaintances of mine while I lived in central Florida (early 80s, Psilocybe Cubensis growing on cow flops), where they experienced really intense and long lasting visual/sound distortions and mental visions, and which they related to me while listening to Cream records at my apartment, I could see such experiences being used in religious context, as do Native Americans with Peyote cactus buttons and Psilocybe mexicana mushrooms.

However, search as I have, I have not been able to find any detailed descriptions of A.M. intoxication, other than Wasson's citation of accounts of use of AM by shamens in Siberia and his suggestion that this is what Germanic tribesmen might have used to go "berserk" in battle, not even in the vaults of Errowid. It doesn't help my research to read that it contains bufotenine or some such thing, as I can't buy these things at the drug-store and no one seems to have described the effects of taking clinically refined hits of them. So this comparison is like between apples and oranges.

It seems that anyone who has recently tried to use some ended up pushing daisies due to picking one of the poisonous varieties of the Amanita. As the ghost of Daffy Duck says to Bugs Bunny (in the character of a vaudeville promoter) after Daffy has just demonstrated his amazing "exploding" act: "It may be a great act, but you can only do it once ..."

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We're literally surrounded by "elixirs" Psychedelics is a word I prefer avoiding due to all the negative connotations, especially of the Flower Power turn on, tune in, and drop out variety. I recently picked up Ratsch's works weighing in at seven pounds, that's a lot of words. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3782 ... ive_Plants

50 Years of Flower Power (Original full version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9T7jyn6iA

186 Dave McGowan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag_Noz4WfdM

In our hunt for elixirs let us not get fixated by beauty but rather what geographic regions could support a particular elixir.

You might wonder how Santa knew if you were naughty or nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBqqpez_-I&t=2317s

Growing up in Florida where cow pastures abounded for miles and miles before overdevelopment raised the concrete jungle of strip stores and crowds of cars, mushrooms were plentiful and there was no interest in synthetic MK ultra lab Frankenstein's. Being surfers, most of us were into nature, however, nobody I knew was grounded in a spiritual practice at the time. Hedonism ruled and everything was relative so experiences were seen through a glass darkly.

Another legal local is the don. San Pedro cactus grows very well in Florida and has spectacular blooms. The one below lives with me. By legal I mean they retain certain property rights in that they were not evicted and the law is rather complicated having to prove intent if your picking anything but if your trespassing then you are trespassing.

Don Juan and Carlos were a trip, lacing truth with fabrications led many astray and I was on board as a kid till my rite of passage which should have occurred at 13 but didn't happen till the early twenties. Catholic catechism was rather generic but better than nothing, Why nobody explained this sexual energy in practical terms that can overcome one at that age is still a mystery to me. It seems our culture, for the most part, is geared for us to not know our mystery. Now Dave spelled it all out clearly in http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1861 ... the-canyon

Jay Fikes - The Carlos Castaneda Deception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WW1j8roth8

Anyway, I am writing on the fly so if it seems a little disjointed it's because it is and a little background is in order for the stigma of the hippie movement needs to be understood especially in one's personal history to be able to objectively evaluate the role of "elixirs" in Christianity. The negative conditioning is so deep that the slightest mention of communion containing "elixirs" qualifies you as a space cadet who tripped out of rationality. :roll: Sure we all know the use of mind altering substances in the recent past in its most narcissistic form. Is there an intelligent use of a hammer?

So which is more rational, to pretend a ritual has transforming abilities or to knowing that it does?

Paul Stamets - Psilocybin Mushrooms of Our Amazing World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SLZK2Z_fH0

Here is one amanita I found in my home. :lol:

http://nature4812.blogspot.com/~Here is a link I will be working on for high resolution viewing of nature. (The bee is getting nectar from datura) It's a work in progress.

The Mycelium are running!
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~food for thought!

Just out doing some nature photography. :confusedsmiley:
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Appeal to authority.

Being so engrossed in studying art I forgot the printed word in Dr. Rush's book "The Mushroom in Christian Art" and came across the foreword where he asked several Christian art historians about the "curious" presence of mushrooms in Christian art. "The response he was given was the same: there were no mushrooms in Christian art." :hysterical:
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Hi DCH,
However, search as I have, I have not been able to find any detailed descriptions of A.M. intoxication, other than Wasson's citation of accounts of use of AM by shamens in Siberia and his suggestion that this is what Germanic tribesmen might have used to go "berserk" in battle, not even in the vaults of Errowid.
There seems to be plenty of described experiences perhaps not as detailed as you require. Maybe you mean specifically the water sports and I will have to search some more to quench that thirst. :)

https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs ... irst_Times

Personally, I have never seen a real Aminata.
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Ananda wrote:Hi DCH,
However, search as I have, I have not been able to find any detailed descriptions of A.M. intoxication, other than Wasson's citation of accounts of use of AM by shamens in Siberia and his suggestion that this is what Germanic tribesmen might have used to go "berserk" in battle, not even in the vaults of Errowid.
There seems to be plenty of described experiences perhaps not as detailed as you require. Maybe you mean specifically the water sports and I will have to search some more to quench that thirst. :)
:facepalm:
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs ... irst_Times

Personally, I have never seen a real Aminata.
There are so many misspelled words that I am not sure they even accurately remember experience details. With my friends, they came over and said they had previously drunk some Psilocybe mushroom tea. I immediately put Cream on the turntable (it was my favorite late 60's early hard rock band, and one of the friends said he was familiar with it because his older sister played it a lot) and pulled out a notepad and took meticulous notes as they described seeing sounds and hearing colors, seeing visual "trails" from objects that pass before their eyes, and hearing and seeing things that were, frankly, not there. This went on for 8 hours! If I saw something that even suggested that the description was somewhat impartial and not just the rambling of a "stoner" I'd feel better. Even if they listened to Molly Hatchet I'd have felt better about them. FWIW, the descriptions reminded me of what some people (non Acid heads) were saying Acid does, but not at all what those who did take it said it actually does (distorted vision and a bit of a body buzz).

No water sports needed. :angel:

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