trinity confusion
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trinity confusion
they say that the 3 who's in trinity is/are 1 what
father is god
ghost is god
son is god
not 3 gods , 1 god
but when they are asked to define "god" they say 1 DIVINE nature.
so haven't they named divine nature as father, ghost and son?
haven't they mixed who god is with what god is ?
then there is another definition of god
god is 3 persons/trinity
he speaks as " i " "he " and "me"
jesus IS NOT trinity
father IS NOT trinity
ghost IS NOT trinity
1 person is not 3 persons
can you see that there is already two definitions of god in trinity?
father is god
ghost is god
son is god
not 3 gods , 1 god
but when they are asked to define "god" they say 1 DIVINE nature.
so haven't they named divine nature as father, ghost and son?
haven't they mixed who god is with what god is ?
then there is another definition of god
god is 3 persons/trinity
he speaks as " i " "he " and "me"
jesus IS NOT trinity
father IS NOT trinity
ghost IS NOT trinity
1 person is not 3 persons
can you see that there is already two definitions of god in trinity?
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Re: trinity confusion
The word "dogma" has been invented to define these religious statements.
Re: trinity confusion
"Why do we have to do this anyhow?"
"Well, Judaism is strictly monotheistic"
"and this gives us as pass?"
"No, not really, but it at least gives us some cover!"
The Trinity is inherently illogical.
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Re: trinity confusion
theterminator wrote:they say that the 3 who's in trinity is/are 1 what
father is god
ghost is god
son is god
not 3 gods , 1 god
but when they are asked to define "god" they say 1 DIVINE nature.
so haven't they named divine nature as father, ghost and son?
haven't they mixed who god is with what god is ?
then there is another definition of god
god is 3 persons/trinity
he speaks as " i " "he " and "me"
jesus IS NOT trinity
father IS NOT trinity
ghost IS NOT trinity
1 person is not 3 persons
can you see that there is already two definitions of god in trinity?
I think you are purposely trying be confusing. It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share. nature is not perxona.
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Re: trinity confusion
you mean 3 pagan gods sharing same power and knowledge? that would be twins or triplets or same person chatting to himself while looking at the mirror. but you worship 3 persons who are different and conscious of their differences.It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share.
do you worship a company of persons? or is it group or team? is god an organization ?
so the son is conscious of his dad and his dad is conscious of him?
2 minds talking to each other and doing things for each other = 2 gods
when yhwh says " i am yhwh"
who is speaking ? 3 persons? 1 person? who? 3 i's?
or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?
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have you ever seen the trinity diagram?I think you are purposely trying be confusing. It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share. nature is not perxona.
in it it says
father is yhwh
ghost is yhwh
son is yhwh
if yhwh = WHO , then each person becomes 1 who 1 person
if yhwh = what, then each person is WHAT/nature
so christians have mixed who's and whats
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of course it is. The thyree identities are one mindtheterminator wrote:It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share.why do you call them 3 gods when I clearly said they share one divine nature, that makes them one God. three identities in on essence, Essence is that which makes a thing what it is, ?thus the three are one God, moreover no similarity between pagan gods a d God. God is the eternal necessary aspect of being and pagan gods are contingent beings,you mean 3 pagan gods sharing same power and knowledge? that would be twins or triplets or same person chatting to himself while looking at the mirror. but you worship 3 persons who are different and conscious of their differences.
It's one thing that is manifested in three identities,do you worship a company of persons? or is it group or team? is god an organization ?
so the son is conscious of his dad and his dad is conscious of him?
Jesus prayed to him in the garden
nope identities are not minds. One mind three identities, Superman, Cal El and Clark Kent, how many men?2 minds talking to each other and doing things for each other = 2 gods
the word used by church fathers as persona, that word refers to the mask worn by a Greek actor on stage, it represents a character or identity but not a separate person from the actor,
the three persona share one essence. the thing that makes them what they are they share. so yes all threewhen yhwh says " i am yhwh"
who is speaking ? 3 persons? 1 person? who? 3 i's?
or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?
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why do you call them 3 gods when I clearly said they share one divine nature, that makes them one God.
father shares 1 nature
ghost shares 1 nature
son shares 1 nature
so nature is shared by 3 . which means the son god depends on the others to be complete trinity?
like eve is adamthree identities in on essence, Essence is that which makes a thing what it is,?
cain is adam
adam is adam
each share 1 nature so we have 3 persons 1 adam/1human
3 conscious gods who share nature.thus the three are one God,
moreover no similarity between pagan gods a d God. God is the eternal necessary aspect of being and pagan gods are contingent beings,
yes your god the son is contingent upon the other gods because each is sharing same nature.
the father cannot be all seeing without the son because the son needs the father
english please.It's one thing that is manifested in three identities,
one thing? you mean one nature?
yes 1 god became a human beingJesus prayed to him in the garden
and was conscious of his prayer to ANOTHER being = 2 beings
jesus who is not trinity /3 persons prayed to
3 persons/trinity
nature
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1 person?
nope identities are not minds. One mind three identities, Superman, Cal El and Clark Kent, how many men?
you are giving 3 names to 1 person
but the gods you worship are separated by being conscious of their DIFFERENCES and doing things for each other
when the dad of jesus watches his son incarnate , he , the dad is not incarnating
the word used by church fathers as persona, that word refers to the mask worn by a Greek actor on stage, it represents a character or identity but not a separate person from the actor,
so when the son died in his acting the father died too? no he remained SEPARATE
the three persona share one essence. the thing that makes them what they are they share. so yes all three
or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?
of course it is.
son = speaker
ghost = speaker
father = speaker
not 3 speakers ,1 speaker?
so a WHAT is speaking?
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Re: trinity confusion
notice how christians have to use heretical language in order to explain trinity?
some time they accept the heresy called partialism
sometimes modalism
some time they accept the heresy called partialism
sometimes modalism
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