trinity confusion

[theterminator]

they say that the 3 who's in trinity is/are 1 what


father is god

ghost is god

son is god


not 3 gods , 1 god

but when they are asked to define "god" they say 1 DIVINE nature.


so haven't they named divine nature as father, ghost and son?


haven't they mixed who god is with what god is ?


then there is another definition of god


god is 3 persons/trinity

he speaks as " i " "he " and "me"



jesus IS NOT trinity
father IS NOT trinity
ghost IS NOT trinity

1 person is not 3 persons


can you see that there is already two definitions of god in trinity?

[Huon]

The word "dogma" has been invented to define these religious statements.

[toejam]

"Why do we have to do this anyhow?"

"Well, Judaism is strictly monotheistic"

"and this gives us as pass?"

"No, not really, but it at least gives us some cover!"



The Trinity is inherently illogical.

[theterminator]

god is not the author of confusion?

[Metacrock]

they say that the 3 who's in trinity is/are 1 what


father is god

ghost is god

son is god


not 3 gods , 1 god

but when they are asked to define "god" they say 1 DIVINE nature.


so haven't they named divine nature as father, ghost and son?


haven't they mixed who god is with what god is ?


then there is another definition of god


god is 3 persons/trinity

he speaks as " i " "he " and "me"



jesus IS NOT trinity
father IS NOT trinity
ghost IS NOT trinity

1 person is not 3 persons


can you see that there is already two definitions of god in trinity?

I think you are purposely trying be confusing. It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share. nature is not perxona.

[theterminator]

It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share.

you mean 3 pagan gods sharing same power and knowledge? that would be twins or triplets or same person chatting to himself while looking at the mirror. but you worship 3 persons who are different and conscious of their differences.


do you worship a company of persons? or is it group or team? is god an organization ?


so the son is conscious of his dad and his dad is conscious of him?

2 minds talking to each other and doing things for each other = 2 gods


when yhwh says " i am yhwh"

who is speaking ? 3 persons? 1 person? who? 3 i's?


or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?

[theterminator]

I think you are purposely trying be confusing. It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share. nature is not perxona.

have you ever seen the trinity diagram?

in it it says

father is yhwh

ghost is yhwh

son is yhwh

if yhwh = WHO , then each person becomes 1 who 1 person

if yhwh = what, then each person is WHAT/nature

so christians have mixed who's and whats

[Metacrock]

It's not that complicated, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are identities, or manifestations what they manifest si the one nature thyey all share.

you mean 3 pagan gods sharing same power and knowledge? that would be twins or triplets or same person chatting to himself while looking at the mirror. but you worship 3 persons who are different and conscious of their differences.

why do you call them 3 gods when I clearly said they share one divine nature, that makes them one God. three identities in on essence, Essence is that which makes a thing what it is, ?thus the three are one God, moreover no similarity between pagan gods a d God. God is the eternal necessary aspect of being and pagan gods are contingent beings,

do you worship a company of persons? or is it group or team? is god an organization ?

It's one thing that is manifested in three identities,

so the son is conscious of his dad and his dad is conscious of him?

Jesus prayed to him in the garden

2 minds talking to each other and doing things for each other = 2 gods

nope identities are not minds. One mind three identities, Superman, Cal El and Clark Kent, how many men?

the word used by church fathers as persona, that word refers to the mask worn by a Greek actor on stage, it represents a character or identity but not a separate person from the actor,

when yhwh says " i am yhwh"

who is speaking ? 3 persons? 1 person? who? 3 i's?

the three persona share one essence. the thing that makes them what they are they share. so yes all three

or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?

of course it is. The thyree identities are one mind



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[theterminator]

why do you call them 3 gods when I clearly said they share one divine nature, that makes them one God.

father shares 1 nature

ghost shares 1 nature

son shares 1 nature

so nature is shared by 3 . which means the son god depends on the others to be complete trinity?

three identities in on essence, Essence is that which makes a thing what it is,?

like eve is adam
cain is adam
adam is adam

each share 1 nature so we have 3 persons 1 adam/1human

thus the three are one God,

3 conscious gods who share nature.

moreover no similarity between pagan gods a d God. God is the eternal necessary aspect of being and pagan gods are contingent beings,

yes your god the son is contingent upon the other gods because each is sharing same nature.
the father cannot be all seeing without the son because the son needs the father

It's one thing that is manifested in three identities,

english please.

one thing? you mean one nature?

Jesus prayed to him in the garden

yes 1 god became a human being

and was conscious of his prayer to ANOTHER being = 2 beings

jesus who is not trinity /3 persons prayed to

3 persons/trinity

nature

or

1 person?

nope identities are not minds. One mind three identities, Superman, Cal El and Clark Kent, how many men?

you are giving 3 names to 1 person

but the gods you worship are separated by being conscious of their DIFFERENCES and doing things for each other
when the dad of jesus watches his son incarnate , he , the dad is not incarnating

the word used by church fathers as persona, that word refers to the mask worn by a Greek actor on stage, it represents a character or identity but not a separate person from the actor,

so when the son died in his acting the father died too? no he remained SEPARATE

the three persona share one essence. the thing that makes them what they are they share. so yes all three

or is it the "one nature" which is speaking?

of course it is.

son = speaker
ghost = speaker

father = speaker

not 3 speakers ,1 speaker?

so a WHAT is speaking?

[theterminator]

notice how christians have to use heretical language in order to explain trinity?

some time they accept the heresy called partialism

sometimes modalism