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Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:22 am
by Gnostic Bishop
Hacktivista wrote:Gnostic Bishop wrote:Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
Can anyone take your responsibility for your sins?
Regards
DL
If all parties freely agree, of course.
Can a parent be bound to pay the debt of his (adult) jailed son?
Can a loving parent freely pay the debt of his jailed son?
Is it moral to just ask ignoring the questions?
If I am your neighbor and rape your wife and have my son jailed for it, will you and your wife think justice was done the next morning while I am outside waiting for you to go to work?
Will your wife spend a nice relaxing day with her rapist 50 feet away?
Regards
DL
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:25 pm
by Hacktivista
I'm still waiting for your answers, I can continue later.
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:58 pm
by Gnostic Bishop
Hacktivista wrote:I'm still waiting for your answers, I can continue later.
Apples and oranges.
Your examples did not include the killing of an innocent man and that was what was on the table. Not a few bucks.
That is why I upped the stakes to sow you how your way did not work for the victim.
I have your answer to mine just by your reply. Thanks.
Regards.
DL
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:29 pm
by dianaperal
There can be no justification for any of us to torture babies, are innocents...
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:58 am
by Gnostic Bishop
dianaperal wrote:There can be no justification for any of us to torture babies, are innocents...
Your first post shows intelligence.
You said for any of us. I hope you also apply that thinking to God.
As a neophyte, you may not have you seen this well done clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI
If you watch the whole movie, you will see that they show the Jews praying to God at the end of it.
Thinking on that fact shows how complicate our psychology can be when it come to Gods.
Jews and Gnostic Christians like me have always fought both for and against Gods while Christians and Muslims fight for a vile demiurge and slavery to their God.
Regards
DL
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:48 am
by Gingerbaker
Yes - torturing a baby might be justified. If torturing a baby was the only method to get a terrorist to confess where he left a ticking nuclear device in NYC, it would be immoral NOT to torture that single human, in order to prevent the suffering of millions.
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:29 pm
by Peter Kirby
That's inventive. Thanks for that. Honestly I find it painful just to read this thread title, and so just reflexively dislike this entire thread, so I'm kinda glad someone found a possible loophole (even if it may not strictly impinge on whatever is the point of the OP... whatever that is).
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:55 am
by Gnostic Bishop
Gingerbaker wrote:Yes - torturing a baby might be justified. If torturing a baby was the only method to get a terrorist to confess where he left a ticking nuclear device in NYC, it would be immoral NOT to torture that single human, in order to prevent the suffering of millions.
No argument on this scenario.
God can read minds, or so we are told, and would not need to torture the way people might have to do.
Regards
DL
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:57 am
by Gnostic Bishop
Peter Kirby wrote:That's inventive. Thanks for that. Honestly I find it painful just to read this thread title, and so just reflexively dislike this entire thread, so I'm kinda glad someone found a possible loophole (even if it may not strictly impinge on whatever is the point of the OP... whatever that is).
The point of the O.P. is quite simple.
To show that Yahweh is a prick of a God and a baby murderer that has no justification for his actions.
Regards
DL
Re: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:25 am
by outhouse
OP what kind of a question is that?
Ya lets ignore how primitive context has changed over 3000 years
