Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

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Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:46 am

Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Adam thought so. He instantly and without argument or hesitation ate of that knowledge when Eve offered love to Adam.

Without Satan causing Original Sin, mankind could no know of love or hate as love and hate are subject to being good or evil.

Would you do as Adam did?

Was Satan right in opening our eyes to love and hate?

Should we venerate Satan more than Yahweh who tried to deny mankind love?

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Nasruddin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:35 pm

Where does it say that Good and Evil (or Love and Hate) did not exist before the serpent enticed Eve? It was the Knowledge of Good and Evil that Eve discovered through the help of the serpent (who is not defined as Satan in the Old Testament), not the ability to perform good or evil itself. Once Eve and Adam gained the knowledge (or perception - "their eyes were opened") of good and evil, they then felt guilt, shame and fear. Previously all had been perceived as good in their innocence, and they had "felt no shame". In that state of innocence love existed and all things were 'good' (i.e. evil was not perceived or felt). Once they gained Knowledge, they became ashamed and fearful of their own behaviour. The serpent gave them the negative feelings that allowed man to perceive and feel the difference between good and evil.

The freedom from feelings of shame or guilt, and the ability to see only the good in things, is usually something people strive for.

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:54 am

Nasruddin wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:35 pm
Where does it say that Good and Evil (or Love and Hate) did not exist before the serpent enticed Eve? It was the Knowledge of Good and Evil that Eve discovered through the help of the serpent (who is not defined as Satan in the Old Testament), not the ability to perform good or evil itself. Once Eve and Adam gained the knowledge (or perception - "their eyes were opened") of good and evil, they then felt guilt, shame and fear. Previously all had been perceived as good in their innocence, and they had "felt no shame". In that state of innocence love existed and all things were 'good' (i.e. evil was not perceived or felt). Once they gained Knowledge, they became ashamed and fearful of their own behaviour. The serpent gave them the negative feelings that allowed man to perceive and feel the difference between good and evil.

The freedom from feelings of shame or guilt, and the ability to see only the good in things, is usually something people strive for.
They strive for the good only because they recognize that they do not want the evil.

If you know good, you automatically know evil.

To exercise free will and choose good instead of evil or love over hate, one must know what good and evil and love and hate are. Right?

God denied that knowledge and thus denied A & E free will and the knowledge of love and how to love.

If love and hate existed in Eden before the eating of knowledge, A & E would not have recognized them for what they are.

Having no moral sense or knowledge of things, evil would look just as desirable as good. Not that A & E would have even had the desire to choose given that they did not know what the choices on the menu were.

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by iskander » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:29 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:46 am
Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Adam thought so. He instantly and without argument or hesitation ate of that knowledge when Eve offered love to Adam.

Without Satan causing Original Sin, mankind could no know of love or hate as love and hate are subject to being good or evil.

Would you do as Adam did?

Was Satan right in opening our eyes to love and hate?

Should we venerate Satan more than Yahweh who tried to deny mankind love?

Regards
DL
Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Serpents can be poisonous, but I do not hate them.

Adam thought so. He instantly and without argument or hesitation ate of that knowledge when Eve offered love to Adam.
Script writing

Without Satan causing Original Sin, mankind could no know of love or hate as love and hate are subject to being good or evil.
We know about love and we know about fear without thr need for anybody to do anything.

Would you do as Adam did?
Yes, I would eat the fruit offered by my wife

Was Satan right in opening our eyes to love and hate?
Satan is never right

Should we venerate Satan more than Yahweh who tried to deny mankind love?
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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am

iskander wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:29 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:46 am
Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Adam thought so. He instantly and without argument or hesitation ate of that knowledge when Eve offered love to Adam.

Without Satan causing Original Sin, mankind could no know of love or hate as love and hate are subject to being good or evil.

Would you do as Adam did?

Was Satan right in opening our eyes to love and hate?

Should we venerate Satan more than Yahweh who tried to deny mankind love?

Regards
DL
Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Serpents can be poisonous, but I do not hate them.

Adam thought so. He instantly and without argument or hesitation ate of that knowledge when Eve offered love to Adam.
Script writing

Without Satan causing Original Sin, mankind could no know of love or hate as love and hate are subject to being good or evil.
We know about love and we know about fear without thr need for anybody to do anything.

Would you do as Adam did?
Yes, I would eat the fruit offered by my wife

Was Satan right in opening our eyes to love and hate?
Satan is never right

Should we venerate Satan more than Yahweh who tried to deny mankind love?
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Of the tree of the knowledge of love, though shalt not eat.

Was that a command worthy of following to you?

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by iskander » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:10 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am
Of the tree of the knowledge of love, though shalt not eat.

Was that a command worthy of following to you?

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DL
2:15 God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and watch it.
2:16 God gave the man a commandment, saying, 'You may definitely eat from every tree of the garden
2:17 But from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, do not eat, for on the day you eat from it, you will definitely die.'


Treated as a story these words do not strike me as being unreasonable; the employer informs the employee of his rights and also of the rules that must be obeyed in order to avoid a tragedy .


Do you want to treat these words as religious people do?

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:13 am

iskander wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:10 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am
Of the tree of the knowledge of love, though shalt not eat.

Was that a command worthy of following to you?

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DL
2:15 God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and watch it.
2:16 God gave the man a commandment, saying, 'You may definitely eat from every tree of the garden
2:17 But from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, do not eat, for on the day you eat from it, you will definitely die.'


Treated as a story these words do not strike me as being unreasonable; the employer informs the employee of his rights and also of the rules that must be obeyed in order to avoid a tragedy .


Do you want to treat these words as religious people do?
Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?

Regards
DL

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by iskander » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:30 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:13 am
iskander wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:10 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am
Of the tree of the knowledge of love, though shalt not eat.

Was that a command worthy of following to you?

Regards
DL
2:15 God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and watch it.
2:16 God gave the man a commandment, saying, 'You may definitely eat from every tree of the garden
2:17 But from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, do not eat, for on the day you eat from it, you will definitely die.'


Treated as a story these words do not strike me as being unreasonable; the employer informs the employee of his rights and also of the rules that must be obeyed in order to avoid a tragedy .


Do you want to treat these words as religious people do?
Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?

Regards
DL
Love is not mentioned in the story. The man was employed as a gardener , and warned to keep away from the heating boiler.
Why do you mention the word "love"?

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:47 am

iskander wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:30 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:13 am
iskander wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:10 am
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am
Of the tree of the knowledge of love, though shalt not eat.

Was that a command worthy of following to you?

Regards
DL
2:15 God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to work it and watch it.
2:16 God gave the man a commandment, saying, 'You may definitely eat from every tree of the garden
2:17 But from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, do not eat, for on the day you eat from it, you will definitely die.'


Treated as a story these words do not strike me as being unreasonable; the employer informs the employee of his rights and also of the rules that must be obeyed in order to avoid a tragedy .


Do you want to treat these words as religious people do?
Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?

Regards
DL
Love is not mentioned in the story. The man was employed as a gardener , and warned to keep away from the heating boiler.
Why do you mention the word "love"?
Because love, like hate, has both good and evil aspects and because that knowledge was denied to A & E until they ignored the command not to consume of that knowledge from the tree of all knowledge.

Why did you ignore this question?

Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?

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DL

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Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Post by iskander » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:06 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:47 am
Why did you ignore this question?

Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?

Regards
DL
I never ignore your questions. I still don't know how you want to treat this subject

Is a command to stay stupid, uneducated and without knowing what love is a command that you would follow?
No one gave this command. The man was employed as a gardener , and later on the employer brought a woman to comfort him.


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