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by GakuseiDon
Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 821

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I have serious reservations with following the timeline from any church father, especially Epiphanius. Not only is he writing in the 4th century, far removed from the scene of the crime, and he is not above making stuff up (like the Nazarenes antedating Christ). Might you be confusing Nazarenes (Ep...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 821

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

As far as Ebionites go, I view the Jewish Christians who hated Paul in Acts as "proto-Ebionites," and given the subject of this thread, I think it's worth noting that these Jews are said to have come from "the province of Asia," which is close to where Marcion is said to have co...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Torah ordained through angels
Replies: 8
Views: 200

Re: The Torah ordained through angels

In Galatians 3:19 Paul says the Law was given through angels and trusted through a mediator. The mediator I guess is Moses. Who are the angels? Do you think these could be the archons of the lower celestial realms? The rulers of this material world? I don't see it personally, based on what I've rea...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 821

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

Epiphanius never says "after 70 CE". This is just rank traditionalism. He only says the Ebionites came after the Nazarenes. Epiphanius says that Ebion came after the Nazoraeans, whom had moved to Cocabe shortly before Jerusalem fell. The Ebionites' 'origin came after the fall of Jerusalem...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Divine madness
Replies: 1
Views: 79

Re: Divine madness

I think there are interesting parallels between the spread of early Christianity and the Second Great Awakening in the 19th Century. According to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening The Second Great Awakening was a Protestant religious revival during the early 19th century in ...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

Marcion theory has first gospel c. 140 CE when Marcion put together his *ev. I don't think that's correct. Marcion appears to be claiming that his Gospel was first, and it is the proto-orthodox Christians who updated things. According to Tertullian: https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertu...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 97
Views: 1992

Re: Gospel priority

dabber wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:37 amIs *ev the Evangelicon?
Yes, *Ev seems to have become nomina sacra, for some. But we can't be 100% sure that, when written out, it is "Evangelicon". It might be "Evangelikon". Or even "Marcion wrote the first gospel b*tches!" :lol:
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1731

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

I'm curious, is there anything to suggest that Josephus expected that there would be the Davidic Messiah who was still to come? I think there are hints of it, yes. In his Antiquities of the Jews: Book 7, Chapter 2: 2. When these things were brought to this conclusion, all the principal men of the H...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1731

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

Looking over what you've written, I don't disagree with much of it, other than the idea of how much this was a part of Flavian propaganda (if I am reading your points correctly). So: yes, Josephus didn't see Vespasian as the Messiah ; What do you mean by that? By that I mean the Davidic Messiah who...
by GakuseiDon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1731

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

So what do you think about what I wrote? Looking over what you've written, I don't disagree with much of it, other than the idea of how much this was a part of Flavian propaganda (if I am reading your points correctly). So: yes, Josephus didn't see Vespasian as the Messiah; yes, the Jewish people o...