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Gday maryhelena The Carrier/Doherty mythicist theory is circular in that - it starts with a celestial god and then becomes a pseudo-human figure and then becomes a celestial god again..ie this theory runs in a circle - it's on a loop. It can continue spinning forever but it can't answer historical q...

Gday maryhelena, If historical figures are relevant to the creation of the gospel Jesus - then, 1) identify them, 2) ask questions of ' why ' these figures were of interest to the gospel writers. If it's early christian origins that we are seeking, then such questions have to be asked. As it stands,...

Gday Bernard, Can anyone tell me who would be these celestial deities later placed on earth, in history, as divine men, with earthly families, companions, and enemies, etc ...? Cordially, Bernard Carrier claims several figures : Osiris Zeus Uranus Hercules Romulus And also non-celestial figures hist...

Carrier on the Ascension of Isaiah, Notes 1. The final redaction of this appears to unite two separate texts (the 'Martyrdom of Isaiah' and the actual 'Ascension of Isaiah '), the latter being the text of which 1 am speaking here, which consists of chaps. 6-11 of the united whole. For this I have ex...

Carrier on the Ascension of Isaiah, part3 "But there is still something missing—and it's not the gospel that was later inserted. I suspect this version of 11.2 is closer to the original, but that it was followed by a more detailed explanation of what this meant and what happened (all as anticip...

Carrier on the Ascension of Isaiah, Part2 "Key to understanding this text is the evidence that it's been tampered with. Even apart from the manuscript evidence confirming this, the text itself confirms it. In the first part we're told that high above in the firma­ment of this world there are co...

Gday again. Here is another section that may interest readers, especially GakuseiDon : (Italics, bolding and notes from original.) Carrier OHJ, pp36-48, on The Ascension of Isaiah Part1 "There survives a strange early Christian text hardly anyone knows about called the Ascension of Isaiah . Lik...

Gday all, I should have posted this first to aid discussion - here are Carrier's two minimal Jesus theories which he tests throughout his book : Mythical : At the origin of Christianity, Jesus Christ was thought to be a celestial deity much like any other. Like many other celestial deities, this Jes...

Gday again Here is Carrier's comments following on from above about 'born of woman' or 'made of woman' : (Italics, bolding and notes from original) Carrier OHJ, pp577-582, On Born of Woman "Paul also never names Jesus' mother, and only mentions Jesus having a mother in a strangely vague passage...

Gday all, I have my copy and have read it through once, I think it makes a valuable addition to the debate, and a good case that Jesus was mythical - originally a celestial being crucified in the heavens by Satan. I will present excerpts of the book on relevant points for discussion here. (Italics a...