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by Kapyong
Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier on the Sermon on the Mount

Gday there, Some think 'The Sermon on the Mount' is a chiastic structure . Here us how Carrier presents it on his pages 466-67 - according to Allison, Studies in Matthew , pp219-22 A. Introduction (crowds ascend the mountain: 4.23-5.1) B. The Nine (3 x 3) Blessings (5.3-12) C. Summary Statement (sal...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Gday, Here's something I've been wondering about. Where does Richard Carrier get his 33% probability of historicity from? What algorithm does he use and what data does he work from? Simplistically speaking, he compares the Jesus story to other similar stories and sees what proportion of those storie...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Gday, Of course, I object strongly that Paul's Christians considered themselves as spiritual/adopted brothers of the Lord (I wish I could read element 12 now), which is a cornerstone in Carrier`s argumentation. Here is Carrier's element 12 in it's entirety : " Element 12 : From as early as we c...
by Kapyong
Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Gday, Here's something I've been wondering about. Where does Richard Carrier get his 33% probability of historicity from? What algorithm does he use and what data does he work from? A couple of points : Firstly note that initially from the background knowledge he decides on 33% as the prior probabil...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier's Background Elements to Christianity

Gday all, (MrMacSon has reminded my about copyright limits in my posting from OHJ - but I am still well below 10%, which I think is the limit. I will post a little more here, but not as full scans, just brief comments.) Here are brief summaries (typically the topic sentence from his book) regarding ...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier on Brother[s] of the Lord, notes

Carrier, OHJ, pp582-592, on Brother of the Lord Notes "92. Strangely, despite extensively defending his right to material support (in I Cor. 9.3-11. 13-14). Paul also insists he never availed himself of this right (in I Cor. 9.12. 15. 18). although that leaves unclear why he didn't think that ...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier on Brother[s] of the Lord, part 2

Carrier, OHJ, pp582-592, on Brother of the Lord Part2 "Here I believe this is another Active kinship title, not a reference to James literally being the brother of Christ. 96 We've already seen how Paul can use the phrase 'brother of the Lord' to mean Christian, since all Christians were broth...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier on Brother[s] of the Lord, part1

Gday all, Here is Carrier discussing 'Brother of the Lord' Carrier, OHJ, pp582-592, on Brother of the Lord Part1 "The last evidence historicists appeal to (and in my opinion the only actual evidence they have) is that twice Paul mentions "brothers of the Lord', once as a generic group (1 C...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Carrier on 1st C. CE Messianism (and four 'Jesus Christ's)

Gday all, In Element 4 of his background to Christianity Carrier discusses Messianism in the 1st C. CE, and includes 4 examples of Messiah wannabes who are 'Jesus Christ's : Carrier on 1st C. CE Messianism (and four 'Jesus Christ's) " Element 4 : (a) Palestine in the early first century CE was ...
by Kapyong
Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601783

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Gday pakeha,
pakeha wrote:Kapyong, thanks so much for posting up those excepts from Carrier's latest book.
I can't comment on them, except to acknowledge I have a lot of reading to do this summer.
Thanks :)
I figure some people may not have the book, but would like to discuss Carrier's work...

Kapyong