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by Peter Kirby
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 621

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

John2 wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:24 pm I'm still not sure I understand the "Hegesippus combined two sources" idea.
It sounds like you (mostly) understand it, but it doesn't feel right to you because you're seeing (or "feeling") the account of Hegesippus when you read other non-Hegesippus accounts.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Agrippa Castor apparently wrote a very early refutation of Basilides: https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... basilides/
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Okay, thanks.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Thank you for this post, Ken. It's an interesting point about Basilides using Luke.
Ken Olson wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:00 pm The date of the 15th year of Tiberius could, of course, come from Marcion’s Evangelion
In the phrase Marcion's Evangelion, what relationship is there between Marcion and Evangelion?
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

The Anti-Marcionite Prologue appears to make Marcion contemporary with John and opposed by him: https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/anti_marcionite_prologues.htm The Gospel of John was revealed and given to the churches by John while still in the body, just as Papias of Hieropolis, the close disciple...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Irenaeus makes Cerinthus and Marcion parallel in more ways than just some of their doctrine (AH 3.3.4): But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in ...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Irenaeus writes: "Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus [traditionally 136-142], who held the ninth place in the episcopal succession" (Adv. Haer. 1.27.1) "Marcion of Pontus succeeded" Cerdo (Adv. Haer. 1.27...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

This is often quoted here ( Against Marcion 1.19): Well, but our god, say the Marcionites, although he did not manifest himself from the beginning and by means of the creation, has yet revealed himself in Christ Jesus. A book will be devoted to Christ, treating of His entire state; for it is desirab...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2076

Re: Mark's dependence on Luke

Steven Avery wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:14 pm
Peter Kirby wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:02 am
I haven't yet seen even just one reason given.
Every point in Ben's article, plus my additions.
I'm trying to be charitable here, but you're giving me nothing to work with. Quote something. Shoot your shot.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 274

Re: The Date of Marcion

Tertullian wrote in "The Prescription against Heretics": http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertullian11.html Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men ...