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by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1702

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

the gospels openly acknowledge Jesus's parables are ambiguous and require interpreting
the need for interpretation was always there Thomas isn't making them ambiguous
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1702

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

well ok, I think i get where you're coming from from the perspective of a presumed body of existing Christian texts Thomas can appear like a novel, new form. A sayings gospel But from the perspective of literary texts in general it is not a new form it's just a collection of sayings like Proverbs or...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1702

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

part of the problem with that is a number of canonical sayings and statements are against hierarchical organisation and overseers, and the trappings of religion. this phenomenon seems to occur also working off the epistles which starts going down that path then chooom it's reversed or blocked by all...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4649

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Reminds me of the wedding at Cana and Jesus refilling the water jugs with wine for the guests. A Bacchic influence perhaps? Judas partakes in the Bacchic sacrament and, drunk on the ecstasy of the Holy spirit, drives him to betray Jesus? Maybe. The Odes have both positive and negative drunkenness T...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4649

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

holy shit Giuseppe thanks for this tip But you and Secret Alias are claiming that Judas Iskarioth can't be rendered as "Judash the one who deceives/betrayes" because there is none prefix "h" that allows a reading of "šāqar" in the active sense and different from the mea...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4649

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

DrSarah you're obviously one of those people that likes the know the actual facts of things. It's a common condition, not sure what the cure is! In this case I think Giuseppe's understanding of the word is right though... I took a look at strongs https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexic...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No ekklēsia in Mark?
Replies: 26
Views: 773

Re: No ekklēsia in Mark?

maybe the gospels don't like the idea an organisation existed before it was supposed to although thats what it looks like in the gospels, they won't call it that
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A good argument to believe that the epistles were genuine
Replies: 17
Views: 577

Re: A good argument to believe that the epistles were genuine

Giuseppe you could have the epistles emerge from a 'gnostic milieu' for sure what we see with Paul is he teaches only his own teachings he could have gone off in his own direction from almost any precursor and ended up completely disagreeing with them we don't really know what was prior to the mythi...
by davidmartin
Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Epistle to Diognetus and the Marcionite Nexus: Twin Visions of God's Kindness
Replies: 13
Views: 468

Re: The Epistle to Diognetus and the Marcionite Nexus: Twin Visions of God's Kindness

Of course, we recognize the words of the Epistle to Diognetus as echoing thoughts present already in the Gospel of John (John 1:18 - "no one has ever seen God but the one and only Son, who is himself God"), which can be considered another interesting link between the Marcionite nexus (whi...
by davidmartin
Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A good argument to believe that the epistles were genuine
Replies: 17
Views: 577

Re: A good argument to believe that the epistles were genuine

The argument is not that the "none of the epistles have interpolation", but that the epistles for the most part precede both (1) Marcion and (2) the precursors of Marcion (i.e. Simonians and Cerdonites). 1 Yes 2 No the precursor of Marcion is probably whomever wrote the epistles can't pro...