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by Ulan
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Replies: 259
Views: 95074

Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?

That's basically what I meant. For the 4th century, the Eusebian "Church History" as extension of Acts would have been sufficient to finish that task. Everything else looks completely superfluous to me. For the rest, you could just conjure the typical apologetics you sometimes find even to...
by Ulan
Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Replies: 259
Views: 95074

Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?

I get the impression that you are proposing what is in fact a "perfect crime" that was so cleverly and so comprehensively organized that not a single clue was left to be found that would lead to doubts. Is that a fair description? If various authors were manufactured to appear to have wit...
by Ulan
Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Replies: 259
Views: 95074

Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?

Did you miss the note? That before you approach idea (2) you have to evaluate idea (1). If idea (1) fails then we don't get to idea (2). I accept that. Without accepting idea (1) as true, idea (2) is nonsensical. This I can understand too. (2) is contingent on (1). No, I didn't miss the note. My co...
by Ulan
Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Replies: 259
Views: 95074

Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?

Idea (2) - Evidence of systematic Christian identify theft suggests Arius may not have been a Christian, but in fact a Platonic theologian, and may be identified with the Gnostic Leucius Charinus (i.e. Arius authored at least some of the NTA) If I look at suggestions like this, I am a bit surprised...
by Ulan
Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

Irish1975 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:38 am An interesting book on this subject, although I haven’t looked at in it a while, is—

The Jewish Apocalyptic Tradition and the Shaping of New Testament Thought, ed. Benjamin Reynolds (2017).
Thank you for that recommendation. Sounds interesting :)/
by Ulan
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

the odes get ignored You've got three people in this thread alone who would be interested in the Odes (you, me, and I would guess Ulan). If it's not being talked about, who should we blame? Surely the people who are interested in it and not talking about it? So talk about it. Here's a question. Wer...
by Ulan
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

Irish1975 wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:05 pm Seems like Enoch is relatively neglected here for its influence on the Gospels. Or maybe just since Ben left.
The video draws the line from 1 Enoch via 3 Enoch to Paul, the dating of 3 Enoch notwithstanding.
by Ulan
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

this is an awkward position i feel to take. it's not black and white but your original question hinted at pre-christian roots, well yes there has to be some as well. perhaps the wisdom side of Judaism or some reflective or esoteric side that doesn't really feel threatened by hellenism or need to ap...
by Ulan
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

Yes I think they were, the Odes are full of ascent esotericism and visions, far more than Paul's brief reference to the same thing Andrew Criddle's remark aside, there's also this: The video doesn't only talk about 2Cor 12 in the context of Merkabah mysticism and Hekhalot literature, it also mentio...
by Ulan
Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity
Replies: 18
Views: 1235

Re: How Ancient Apocalyptic Jewish Ascent Esotericism Laid the Foundations of Christianity

Peter Kirby wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:39 pm
Ulan wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 1:04 pm I guess this won't please many people here, but whatever.
I've seen only the title so far, but it doesn't sound that far off to me.
Agreed. I was referring to those people here who have made up their mind that the connection of Christianity to Judaism is a secondary development.