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- Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
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Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
What I've long thought to be the case, and maybe I've been wrong, was that the relationship between Marcion and Luke was surmised based on comparison. Nothing in the works of Marcion stated explicitly that he knew anything about Luke or that there was any relationship between his Gospel and Luke. M...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 22
- Views: 310
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know.
It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected.
It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected.
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 22
- Views: 310
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Antitheses = Matthew 5:17 - 44. Look at Irenaeus's statements about Marcion's use of these antitheses. In their Matthean form they are obviously watered down from a Marcionite-like source text. I have a hypothesis here that the Antitheses of Marcion more or less directly took a couple of these from...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 22
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The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Basilides (ca. 130) knew the Gospel of Luke: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169178#p169178 According to Justin, Marcion was alive ca. 150-155 when he was writing. https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169152#p169152 And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, who is even at thi...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
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Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
And maybe because I said Marcionite studies is bullshit. Yeah I think I have been modest in trying to re-evaluate Tertullian, but the reception would be icy especially among those who have studied the Marcionite stuff the most. It's the single largest source of 'material'. Having full value as a mi...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:20 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
- Views: 1506
Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Helmut Koester? He said something to you?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:16 am First it was Helmut the frog or whatever his name was.
I guess you mean Hermann (Detering).
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:06 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
- Views: 1506
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:38 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
- Views: 1506
Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
It seems that Smith's own interest in private teaching would have led him to like the singular reading.
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
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Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
It would explain (sort of) the "naked man with naked man" error The Secret Gospel : We have stories of rabbis who gave obscure answers and then explained the true ones in private to their disciples. (p. 84) Therefore he pretended that Jesus had taught them privately. (p. 85) Even his disc...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
- Replies: 171
- Views: 1506
Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
By the way: am I crazy for wondering about this or was Smith possibly assigned a ghostwriter for The Secret Gospel? Someone who helped Smith do the writing part, making it read better.