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by Irish1975
Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 is a very late interpolation: Celsus's case
Replies: 31
Views: 2134

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 is a very late interpolation: Celsus's case

Isn't that the implication of Rom 9? Rom 9 [31] But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. [32] Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone ; [33] As i...
by Irish1975
Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 is a very late interpolation: Celsus's case
Replies: 31
Views: 2134

Re: 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 is a very late interpolation: Celsus's case

Building on robert j's comment, I see the key as "hindering us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, so as always to fill up their sins". What are their sins? Rejecting Jesus. Thus through that failing , "wrath has come upon them to the utmost" by being cut off from...
by Irish1975
Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:32 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: All christianity is “fundamentalism”
Replies: 5
Views: 12218

Re: All christianity is “fundamentalism”

One issue is that the term 'Fundamentalism' tends to be associated in practice with Dispensationalist views about the Bible and prophecy. I agree that this emphasis is not found in the original "The Fundamentals" articles, but it became increasingly dominant after the 1st World War. Evang...
by Irish1975
Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: All christianity is “fundamentalism”
Replies: 5
Views: 12218

All christianity is “fundamentalism”

“The fundamentals” was a collection of articles in the 1910s, heavily funded and propagated by an American business man, that assailed “the Higher Criticism” and promoted a few essential tenets for (American) Protestant ministers: atonement, resurrection, miracles, virgin birth, and the creation sto...
by Irish1975
Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Death by Burning, c.100-300 AD
Replies: 22
Views: 2294

Re: Death by Burning, c.100-300 AD

The left-wing/right-wing distinction, and in general the so-called “political spectrum,” is entirely a product of modern nationalism and its politics. The terminology arose from the custom of sitting to the right or to the left of the presiding officer of the National Assembly during the French Revo...
by Irish1975
Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The real world marketing of The Historical Jesus by Disney & National Geographic
Replies: 1
Views: 440

The real world marketing of The Historical Jesus by Disney & National Geographic

The Fractured Kingdom: Uniting Modern Christianity through the Historical Jesus by Jean-Pierre Isbouts Morehouse Publishing June 13, 2023 Bestselling biblical historian , Jean-Pierre Isbouts, weaves the origin stories of Christianity and the Lord's Prayer into a reinvigorating and urgent rallying c...
by Irish1975
Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My Wildly Atheistic Conspiracy Theory Concerning Base Paul in 1 Corinthians
Replies: 25
Views: 2371

Re: My Wildly Atheistic Conspiracy Theory Concerning Base Paul in 1 Corinthians

Having found what I feel is a "urpaul" and a "base Paul" in 1 Corinthians Pre-Gospel 1 Corinthians.pdf and what appears to be 1 or more writers that seem to postdate the Gospel stories and Acts in that letter Post Gospel and Acts 1 Corinthians.pdf I would like to put forth a sce...
by Irish1975
Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the evolution of the notion of "outer space" as the place where Jesus was crucified according to 1 Corinthians 2:6-8
Replies: 13
Views: 810

Re: On the evolution of the notion of "outer space" as the place where Jesus was crucified according to 1 Corinthians 2:

I don’t see what the NT’s various poetics of the crucifixion motif have to do with any definite model of the physical cosmos. Even Corinthians 2:6-8 has more directly to do with wisdom, knowledge, ignorance, the rulers, and most darkly of all, the contrast of “this aeon” with some other. The three-f...
by Irish1975
Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The “throwing-down” of the cosmos
Replies: 9
Views: 734

Re: The “throwing-down” of the cosmos

Now you point it out, it is indeed a curious expression... Origen, Commentary on John 19.149, seems to agree with you that it is an NT neologism : "That world has nothing below, as this (world has) nothing above, to the one who examines it exactly. For how can this world have anything above, w...
by Irish1975
Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The “throwing-down” of the cosmos
Replies: 9
Views: 734

The “throwing-down” of the cosmos

The NT authors use a curious expression to refer to the original "act" of the creator: The "katabolé" of the cosmos. (1) ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου -- "from" or "since" the katabolé (2) πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου -- "before" the katabolé A standard concordance t...