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by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 267

Re: The Date of Marcion

Irenaeus makes Cerinthus and Marcion parallel in more ways than just some of their doctrine (AH 3.3.4): But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in ...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 267

Re: The Date of Marcion

Irenaeus writes: "Cerdo was one who took his system from the followers of Simon, and came to live at Rome in the time of Hyginus [traditionally 136-142], who held the ninth place in the episcopal succession" (Adv. Haer. 1.27.1) "Marcion of Pontus succeeded" Cerdo (Adv. Haer. 1.27...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 267

Re: The Date of Marcion

This is often quoted here ( Against Marcion 1.19): Well, but our god, say the Marcionites, although he did not manifest himself from the beginning and by means of the creation, has yet revealed himself in Christ Jesus. A book will be devoted to Christ, treating of His entire state; for it is desirab...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Mark's dependence on Luke

Steven Avery wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:14 pm
Peter Kirby wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:02 am
I haven't yet seen even just one reason given.
Every point in Ben's article, plus my additions.
I'm trying to be charitable here, but you're giving me nothing to work with. Quote something. Shoot your shot.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 267

Re: The Date of Marcion

Tertullian wrote in "The Prescription against Heretics": http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertullian11.html Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men ...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 552

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Again in this case, most of the comment exploring the interpretation also came from me at the time. Likewise, it can be discussed, but I don't know if I would defend what I wrote then. Yes, there are no doubt there are texts that people can point to (which they have done in this thread) where the i...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 552

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

rgprice wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:17 pm @Peter I'm not sure why you didn't move your own post above to the other thread...
I'm not sure what's unclear.

This thread is for exploring whether we have the examples that GakuseiDon mentions in the OP.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 296

Re: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?

A possible exception to this rule is Orpheus, whom apparently Aristotle supposedly doubted existed. In On the Nature of the Gods , Cicero stated that Aristotle claimed Orpheus never existed at all, though such a position is not found in the extant works of Aristotle. Aristotle tells us that there n...