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by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
Replies: 121
Views: 66640

Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels

From Ehrmans blog which is logic and reason you have never been able to refute, ever. http://ehrmanblog.org/question-about-eyewitnesses-and-the-gospels/ - " ...The eyewitnesses would have been Aramaic speaking peasants almost entirely from rural Galilee. Mark was a highly educated, Greek speak...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 11730

Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu

What is more probable? I think that the rise of docetism is more expected under the myth, because we have no examples in all the human history where a human being is seen ''docetically'' as lacking flesh and blood. Maybe only Buddha, and Buddha is a myth. Yes, docetism goes hand in hand with concep...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 11730

Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu

Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection. Marcion was the first to introduce an early ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
Replies: 132
Views: 78327

Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism

I suspect some of the Pauline pericopes are Jesus ones, or have had Jesus inserted in them, and some are other-Christ ones. In my heady younger daze, I thought it could be the case that - when we encounter "Jesus" (without "Christ"), "Christ" (without "Jesus"...
by MrMacSon
Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
Replies: 132
Views: 78327

Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism

In verse 21 Paul states that resurrection has come by a man and he means Jesus Christ ... I disagree - the name *Jesus* is not mentioned anywhere in 1 Cor 15, and is not mentioned in the preceding two chapters either (ie. 1 Cor 13 & 1 Cor 14) - It's almost as if these are pericopes from a Chris...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11521

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

Jesus was apparently charismatic enough to collect an entourage of disciples who were willing to do whatever their teacher requested. One thing that intrigues me is that we have narratives about what Jesus & his disciples did, but does the NT state anywhere what Jesus's actual own theology was?...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11521

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

I think: the Christ cult. I think it was 'assumed' by the Jesus cult. I guess that depends on what is meant by "Jesus cult" and "Christ cult". Jesus was apparently charismatic enough to collect an entourage of disciples who were willing to do whatever their teacher requested. In...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's "intended" ending
Replies: 47
Views: 24664

Re: Mark's "intended" ending

It is interesting that James is not a major figure in the gospels but he is a major figure in Paul’s letters. A possible explanation is that James was Jesus’ brother and this family tie gave him the leadership role, while Peter was just the leading follower of Jesus. There is an anti-family motif i...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
Replies: 132
Views: 78327

Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism

1 Cor 15 [12] Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? ... [20] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. [21] For as by a man came death, by a man has come also th...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
Replies: 121
Views: 66640

Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels

If an argument is going to be made for eyewitness memory leading to memory, distorted or invented, being fundamental to the writing of the gospels - gospels written 50 to 60 years after 30/33 c.e. - then memory current in 30/33 c.e. needs also to be put on the table. i.e. the context of the gospel ...