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- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
- Replies: 121
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Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
From Ehrmans blog which is logic and reason you have never been able to refute, ever. http://ehrmanblog.org/question-about-eyewitnesses-and-the-gospels/ - " ...The eyewitnesses would have been Aramaic speaking peasants almost entirely from rural Galilee. Mark was a highly educated, Greek speak...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 11730
Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu
What is more probable? I think that the rise of docetism is more expected under the myth, because we have no examples in all the human history where a human being is seen ''docetically'' as lacking flesh and blood. Maybe only Buddha, and Buddha is a myth. Yes, docetism goes hand in hand with concep...
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 11730
Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu
Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection. Marcion was the first to introduce an early ...
- Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
- Replies: 132
- Views: 78327
Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
I suspect some of the Pauline pericopes are Jesus ones, or have had Jesus inserted in them, and some are other-Christ ones. In my heady younger daze, I thought it could be the case that - when we encounter "Jesus" (without "Christ"), "Christ" (without "Jesus"...
- Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
- Replies: 132
- Views: 78327
Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
In verse 21 Paul states that resurrection has come by a man and he means Jesus Christ ... I disagree - the name *Jesus* is not mentioned anywhere in 1 Cor 15, and is not mentioned in the preceding two chapters either (ie. 1 Cor 13 & 1 Cor 14) - It's almost as if these are pericopes from a Chris...
- Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:02 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 11521
Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Jesus was apparently charismatic enough to collect an entourage of disciples who were willing to do whatever their teacher requested. One thing that intrigues me is that we have narratives about what Jesus & his disciples did, but does the NT state anywhere what Jesus's actual own theology was?...
- Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:53 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 11521
Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
I think: the Christ cult. I think it was 'assumed' by the Jesus cult. I guess that depends on what is meant by "Jesus cult" and "Christ cult". Jesus was apparently charismatic enough to collect an entourage of disciples who were willing to do whatever their teacher requested. In...
- Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:00 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark's "intended" ending
- Replies: 47
- Views: 24664
Re: Mark's "intended" ending
It is interesting that James is not a major figure in the gospels but he is a major figure in Paul’s letters. A possible explanation is that James was Jesus’ brother and this family tie gave him the leadership role, while Peter was just the leading follower of Jesus. There is an anti-family motif i...
- Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
- Replies: 132
- Views: 78327
Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
1 Cor 15 [12] Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? ... [20] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. [21] For as by a man came death, by a man has come also th...
- Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
- Replies: 121
- Views: 66640
Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
If an argument is going to be made for eyewitness memory leading to memory, distorted or invented, being fundamental to the writing of the gospels - gospels written 50 to 60 years after 30/33 c.e. - then memory current in 30/33 c.e. needs also to be put on the table. i.e. the context of the gospel ...