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by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 17650

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Ben C. Smith wrote: ... That is not his assertion; that is his summary of what he thinks Acts is asserting.
ah, ok. I wondered, but read it that he was agreeing with it.
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 17650

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Ehrman has said that the passages are ... designed to make the reader think that the author knew Paul. He writes in Forged : ...The author is making a claim about himself. He is not naming himself. He is simply claiming to be a traveling companion of Paul’s and therefore unusually well suited to gi...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Grafted Story of the Empty Tomb
Replies: 50
Views: 41802

Re: The Grafted Story of the Empty Tomb

. Wikipedia on Song of Songs - Judaism The Song - [ one of the megillot (scrolls) of the Ketuvim ] - was accepted into the Jewish canon of scripture in the 2nd century CE , after a period of controversy in the 1st century. It was accepted as canonical because of its supposed authorship by Solomon a...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jesus?
Replies: 127
Views: 107700

Re: Top suspects that could have invented the historical Jes

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Do these references to Herodion (& other references to 'known names') represent genuine persons?

or could they be attempts to co-opt 'authorities' to embellish the narrative? --or a combination of both?
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?
Replies: 23
Views: 13478

Re: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?

This recently published book may well provide some insights - The Gospel on the Margins: The Reception of Mark in the Second Century Michael J. Kok Fortress Press, Feb. 2015 "Scholars of the Gospel of Mark usually discuss the merits of patristic references to the Gospel’s origin and Mark’s iden...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
Replies: 24
Views: 11583

Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE

. Origen's Homilies on Joshua and Homily on Luke (1:1) mention the four canonical gospels. Homilies on Joshua "exists only in a Latin translation, probably by Rufinus (d. 410). Some scholars think that Rufinus has contributed to the passage. "The latin text here is copied from the text gi...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
Replies: 24
Views: 11583

Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE

I found this blog post titled 'Origen on the Gospels' - https://ntmark.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/origen-on-the-gospels/ [Origen's] testimony on the fourfold Gospels is conventional and seems dependent on earlier authorities like Irenaeus and Clement. That blog post cites others who cite Eusebius' Chu...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?
Replies: 23
Views: 13478

Re: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?

Justin Martyr directly equated his "memoirs of the apostles" with the Gospels, however some critics believe that clause to be an interpolation. I assume most would accept that the gospel of Mark existed in its final form by the time Justin wrote, and Justin certainly quotes Mark's gospel ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?
Replies: 23
Views: 13478

Re: Justin's "which are called Gospels": interpolation?

... which explains why the original author or the Against Marcion material thinks Marcion corrupted his Diatessaronic gospel. Did you mean ... which explains why the original author * of * the Against Marcion material thinks Marcion corrupted his Diatessaronic gospel. and, do you mean Marcion corru...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 17650

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

It is also curious that Marcion is said to be a "ship-owner" and the we passages being associated with sea travel and being backhanded evidence for his intimacy with Paul. What are the odds of that? Marcion claimed to have some special relationship with Paul or at least the church establi...