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by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:46 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

This was a follow up post to the previous one, examining Garrow's claim that he has 'a more obvious and reliable method for determining the direction of dependence' and that 'Mark and Luke have somewhat different accounts of the incident in question whereas Matthew agrees closely with portions of bo...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:17 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

I'm reposing this that I originally posted to Facebook's Synoptic Problem Study Group (of which Alan Garrow is a member) back on Feb. 27. This is part 2 of a critique of Alan Garrow’s ‘Gnats, Camels, and Matthew’s use of Luke'. JSNT online 2023, PDF in this forum’s Files section. I posted Part 1 bac...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:06 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

I'm first going to address the unsubstantiated 'unpicking' charge in the first video (video 1/5) and look at two of the synopses Garrow uses in the video to attempt to substantiate it: https://www.alangarrow.com/mch.html/ Garrow: If Luke is using Matthew, there are occasions where he has to remove M...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:24 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

PPS - If you think Evangelion preceded Mark, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. /s :D IMNSHO, Garrow is one of many scholars of the synoptic problem who sees the data through the lens of his own hypothesis (and that of the 2DH). I have criticized his lack of even-handedness...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:25 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis
Replies: 155
Views: 9040

Re: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis

Sorry for the interruption. I am sill trying to absorb what you've said here (and in this thread in general) and I'm afraid I've fallen a bit behind. I hope you can clarify two points for me (I had a third but have forgotten what it was): Sure, no worries! I've been busy. I'm happy that you're read...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:47 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis
Replies: 155
Views: 9040

Re: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis

In the third passion prediction, we can recover the likely wording of Evangelion on analogy with Mark and with reference to the resurrection narrative, which refers back to the passion predictions, as quoted by Epiphanius: He falsified what Christ said to Cleopas and the other when he met them, “O ...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: R.I.P. Theodore Weeden (July 8, 1933 - April 2, 2023)
Replies: 1
Views: 176

R.I.P. Theodore Weeden (July 8, 1933 - April 2, 2023)

I have only just leaned that Ted Weeden, whose name has come up on this forum a few times in various contexts, passed away earlier this year (April 2, 2023). https://www.crawfordfuneralhome.com/obituary/RevDrTheodoreTed-Weeden?fbclid=IwAR2BQ91zdbDzdrqOhSGl4haoGvFGxDq_xMp6y3ZLsQorE6oXTFwis58u-9g Best...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My Strongest Argument Marcion WASN'T First
Replies: 35
Views: 1552

Re: My Strongest Argument Marcion WASN'T First

This is interesting and I'd like to pose a related question. While we can find Marcionite claims that the text of the canonical Gospel contained interpolations by Judaizers, is it clearly stated anywhere in an ancient source that Marcion claimed to have found an uninterpolated copy of the Gospel (a...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A baptism of Jesus by John that is NOT anti-marcionite, but PRE-Marcionite
Replies: 13
Views: 628

Re: A baptism of Jesus by John that is NOT anti-marcionite, but PRE-Marcionite

Could you cite the pages in Klinghardt that Vinzent is talking about here? I imagine Vinzent cites them. Vinzent quotes directly Klinghardt, but the references (p. 374-375) are to the German version from 2015: The terminus ante quem is derived from the patristic attestation of the Gospels in their ...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A baptism of Jesus by John that is NOT anti-marcionite, but PRE-Marcionite
Replies: 13
Views: 628

Re: A baptism of Jesus by John that is NOT anti-marcionite, but PRE-Marcionite

Now that I remember, possibly I have been partially "influenced" by this passage: Thus, even though Klinghardt makes a good argument that the compilation of texts known as the New Testament was already known to Justin, and perhaps even to Marcion, it is only from Irenaeus onward that the ...