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by rgprice
Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 650

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?

I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. Which verses (or material)? A little bit of stuff prior to Acts 16, primarily, the description of Paul's persecutions and then his vision of Jesus. Then the firs...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 650

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?

I don't know about Paul "being" Marcion. But really its hard to say much about any of this. I mean its not even clear if Marcion was a real person. I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. What...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Replies: 13
Views: 312

Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...

Mark crafts a fictional scene using literary allusions, like the example of the triumphal entry. Then Matthew comes along and says, "this happened in order to fulfill scripture", which necessarily indicates that Matthew is interpreting the scene as a literal event that happened "in ac...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Replies: 13
Views: 312

Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...

StephenGoranson wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:25 pm Not persuasive. Both draw on OT. No clear disjunction.
Every scene in the Gospel of Mark draws on the OT, so I'm not really sure what to say about that...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Context for understanding the Ransom Theory
Replies: 30
Views: 697

Re: Context for understanding the Ransom Theory

Its difficult to parse “My God, my God, why did you abandon me?” too closely, since its part of a literary reference to Psalm 22, which is about how the sufferer will cause everyone in the world to worship God. So clearly that is the goal of the writer is to make a reference to this concept.
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Replies: 13
Views: 312

Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...

Here is a somewhat simple example: Mark 1: 29 As soon as they left the synagogue, they entered the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. 30 Now Simon’s mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they told him about her at once. 31 He came and took her by the hand and lifted her up. Then th...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus Says the Carpocratians Referred to Jesus as a "Naked Man" (Nude Hominem)
Replies: 10
Views: 1151

Re: Irenaeus Says the Carpocratians Referred to Jesus as a "Naked Man" (Nude Hominem)

I'm still constantly blow away by the depth of the argumentation over writings . Every argument about the nature of Jesus that is known to exist is purely about parsing the details of various writings, often either by assuming the complete truth of a given writing or the complete falsehood of a give...
by rgprice
Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "new covenant" in 2 Cor 3 and Jeremiah 31
Replies: 5
Views: 276

Re: The "new covenant" in 2 Cor 3 and Jeremiah 31

To me, it looks like 2 Cor 3 is using Jeremiah here. I'm not fully convinced. But assuming Paul was influenced by Jeremiah here, what does this imply? How was Pauling using Jeremiah? Is Paul's new covenant supposed to be what is described in Jeremiah? Doesn't seem to align. Does this indicate that ...
by rgprice
Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The "new covenant" in 2 Cor 3 and Jeremiah 31
Replies: 5
Views: 276

The "new covenant" in 2 Cor 3 and Jeremiah 31

I found this quite interesting, but not sure what to make of it: Jeremiah 31:27 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of humans and the seed of animals. 28 And just as I have watched over them to pluck up and break down, t...