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by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 30
Views: 600

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Also, Jesus' claim that the people will doubtless say 'Physician, heal thyself" is a presupposition that there is something wrong with Jesus, which in all likelihood is that he is possessed by a spirit, which he is. Very easy confutation: verse 4:14-16 explains enough well the part ' heal hims...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus
Replies: 2
Views: 81

Re: From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus

It is curious that the rival (Jesus) " disciple of the rabbi Jesus b. Perahiah" ("bar Rabbas", "bar Jesus") was reduced by Acts to be "an attendant of the proconsul, Sergius Paulus ". A misunderstanding of the fact that the true Jesus hallucinated by Paul live...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus
Replies: 2
Views: 81

Re: From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus

Another trace of the same embarrassment for the confusion between a remote Jesus of the distant past and a recent (Gospel) Jesus: "Bar Jesus" appears in Acts 13:6–7: “They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus
Replies: 2
Views: 81

From Bar-Rabbas to Bar-Abbas: how the follower of a rabbi was transformed in the Marcionite Jesus

The best place to be seen where the embarrassment for a confusion is evident is the Barabbas episode. It is obvious to me that the Barabbas episode reflected the measure taken to avoid the confusion between the Jesus of the Judaizers ("Jesus called Christ") and the marcionite Jesus ("...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 30
Views: 600

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

In my view: Marcion was merely the top of the iceberg of the phenomenon called anti-demiurgism, the idea that YHWH is an evil deity, unable to make good even when considered "just". The fact that *Ev precedes Luke, Matthew and even Mark means that the label of Jewish-Christian doesn't dese...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 225

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

He doesn't use the plural to describe the group of people who witnessed the presumed miracle. He uses the plural to describe the people who have been punished. the Celsus' assumption is that such group were the 800 Pharisees crucified by Alexander Janneus, since in the Gospels there is none trace o...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 95
Views: 2308

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Dr Carrier's answer via mail: That’s a very old exchange, wildly obsolete now. There isn’t enough to hang any hat on, unfortunately. Even at best it is inconclusive what he means; and at worst, means why Loisy says: they want to find it written in the scriptures and don’t, he says it’s there, they t...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 225

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

In which case Celsus is referring to John the Baptist, probably using the Gospel of John: which cannot explain why Celsus uses the plural to describe the group of the person who witnessed the presumed miracle: the statement of another of those individuals who have been punished along with you You c...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 225

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

Even the Quran doesn't know Pilate in connection with Jesus, since it is based on the same Talmud that placed the death of Jesus by hand of the same Jews , under Janneus: That they (The Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed...
by Giuseppe
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
Replies: 9
Views: 225

Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus

Jesus was famous to have been crucified.

Janneus was famous to have crucified.

Therefore the Jews thought that Janneus crucified Jesus.