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by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 17
Views: 289

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

So how are you 'helping' here?
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 17
Views: 289

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

A common issue is making inferences without any controls. So are the letters of Paul too incoherent to have one author? Okay, that might be an argument. Which authors were used as controls to test the hypothesis of coherence? And have those authors been put through the same wringer to try to produce...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 17
Views: 289

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

Put this together with the suspiciously round number of 7 epistles in the earliest collections, and perhaps we can conclude that making up fake letters by Paul has been a thing since the earliest collections we know anything about. I can suggest that Ephesians, when added to the archetype (= from w...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?
Replies: 6
Views: 134

Re: How should the “rollercoaster” phrase in Romans 10:6-8 be understood?

Paul, or those writing under his name, is interpreting Deuteronomy 30 here in the light of his own belief. If the life giving Law is not too hard to bear or grasp (Deut. 30:11 "Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach") and if Christ is the end ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 33
Views: 444

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

That's a problem isn't it? A bias against the boring if you will.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 33
Views: 444

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

If the Marcionite Gospel is seen as an alteration of Luke, it has almost no relevance for the New Testament ... On the other hand, the priority of the Marcionite Gospel promotes the most noble and important task of scholarship: it poses a whole new set of questions that did not exist before. And if...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 33
Views: 444

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

maryhelena wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:42 pm I recently paid £21 for this article - of just 6 pages. I had thought I was getting the three articles for this price. The other two articles being by Jason Beduhn and Judith Lieu.
Oof. :shock:
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 435

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

One reason that I haven't already just gone with (1)/(3) is that I'm not sure we have a good catalog of non-Luke that could be in Marcion's gospel. Prior scholarship generally takes the Gospel of Luke as a "map in hand" with which to discover the context of references to Marcion's gospel. ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 435

back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

As some know, I have been exploring the idea that Marcion's gospel wasn't nearly as close to a twin of Luke as people think. And since people often think it's a pretty close twin in most respects, that's low hanging fruit really. The evidence prompting a re-evaluation on this point includes the Matt...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 17
Views: 289

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

Asia Minor could be the location of the collection with Ephesians. Someone with money and an affinity for Paul are simple, plausible assumptions. There's more unknown about history than is known. Overdetermining the identity of the publisher here is not necessarily helpful.