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by Ulan
Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Yeah, it's like God had decided all this would happen---but if the jews had repented, God couldn't do it, so what does he do? He sends Jesus down to ensure that they *don't* repent. The 70ad disaster is *caused* by Jesus. Yeah, the disaster required an explanation...but *this* is the explanation? L...
by Ulan
Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

*chuckle* you've just broken a cardinal rule of internet discussions: you never admit that anybody else has a good point :-) Yeah, I know. I come from science, and I've learnt that not admitting any points others have against one's own statements is a huge detriment to making any progress in discus...
by Ulan
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

RandyHelzerman wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 4:19 pm But there is one change to practice which I don't think can be swept under the rug of a changing interpretation, and that is when Jesus "makes all things clean" in Mark 7.
That's right. The wording there is unambiguous.
by Ulan
Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

And Mark follows suit here. Jesus clearly rejects some laws, but on others (e.g. categorically forbidding divorce) he's even *more* strict than Moses was. Which ones does he reject? I don't see him reject any of the written laws. He seems to reject the very strict interpretations that came with the...
by Ulan
Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

It only starts looking weird a couple of years later when the war was lost in a final defeat, without any heavenly troops showing up. If we entertain a pre-70 date for Mark (or really any date where people would have a different view/interpretation on Mark), that's an interesting point. How dark an...
by Ulan
Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

Staged or read, the 16:8 ending of mark's gospel is just weird. Well, my last sentence tried to explain that. The dating of the gospel in Bible scholarship is usually very close to 70, because then this ending makes sense as a recall to Daniel. "You probably missed it, but the messenger of God...
by Ulan
Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Mark's downer Gospel
Replies: 155
Views: 219913

Re: Mark's downer Gospel

The biggest problem I have with it is, again, Luke and Matthew, who so faithfully follow Mark, yet who once again start disagreeing with each other right at this point. Could it be because they just ran out of Mark? Are there other discernible redactional agendas they had which would motivate them ...
by Ulan
Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “In the entire history there has never been knowledge of one other case of somebody who survived a crucifixion”
Replies: 5
Views: 668

Re: “In the entire history there has never been knowledge of one other case of somebody who survived a crucifixion”

I wonder if the man whom Josephus brought down from the cross might have been one and the same as the Jewish revolt leader who was (later) tossed off of the Tarpeian Rock to his death in Rome? I.E., Simon bar Giora... Simon bar Giora has his own "resurrection story", given he startled the...
by Ulan
Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Eusebian Canons in Codex Sinaiticus - a challenge to traditional dating
Replies: 10
Views: 1452

Re: The Eusebian Canons in Codex Sinaiticus - a challenge to traditional dating

Actually to the textual critics, Sinaiticus is far more important than Alexandrinus and Washingtonianus and Bezae because of the faux 4th century date. It has a huge impact on the textual criticism variants, even today. It is one of two Potemkin Pillars on which the Westcott-Hort recension was buil...
by Ulan
Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Eusebian Canons in Codex Sinaiticus - a challenge to traditional dating
Replies: 10
Views: 1452

Re: The Eusebian Canons in Codex Sinaiticus - a challenge to traditional dating

One study by Brent Nongbri in 2021 made a minor challenge to the terminus ante quem of Sinaiticus, maybe it could be as late as fifth century. However, since the terminus post quem was unchallenged, it was essentially ignored in the textual world. It didn't make any waves, as it doesn't change anyt...