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by neilgodfrey
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Neil I do not know why you bother to try to engage with me. You asked a question on an open forum. As luck would have it, I knew one answer to what you asked. The normal process in conversation is for people to exchange views, listening and trying to understand one another, back and forth to reach ...
by neilgodfrey
Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

But you've shown no interest in the question I raised about whether optimal collective performance coincides with individuals performing optimally. Correct. I am not the least interested in discussing the point you set out above. Probably I really am not the least interested in addressing questions...
by neilgodfrey
Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Neil That's not how historical research works. You didn't ask for a historical researcher. ..... I have been talking about valid historical research methods from the start. I am saying that biblical studies historians by and large do not follow the normative methods. Their methods are in fact tende...
by neilgodfrey
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Now that's not relying upon plausibility, Bernard. That is called "shifting the goal posts". I was not moving the goal posts. I say if a reconstruction meets a large number of criteria, and is plausible (also coherent), there is a good chance it is correct. Woops, nope, Bernard. Memories ...
by neilgodfrey
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Bernard Muller wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:25 pm (more so when ignited by a very minimal Jesus).
God, Bernard. Do get over your obsession with historicism vs mythicism. Anyone would think that for you the bottom line is selecting any method that gives you the result you want and need in that stupid debate.
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Neil So-called postulated "embarrassment" alone can never establish historicity -- which is the claim of many biblical scholars. There is little or no "establish" in anything discussed here. There is to accept a contingent proposition, or else to decline to accept it. That's not...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Neil What other field of inquiry uses "embarrassment" as at least one criterion to determine and what is and what is not a "fact" in anonymous and unprovenanced documents? The field you mentioned in a recent post with approval, judges and jurors. Statements against interest are ...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

to Neil, Are you saying that plausibility of a narrative is a reason we should believe it to be true? If a narrative is plausible, free of obvious unhistorical parts, with every parts documented, does not involve the extraordinary, does not require great gifts to the characters, yes I would say the...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

. Only "biblical scholars" use plausibility as the criterion of historicity as far as I am aware. It is all that can be used with such limited evidence, and it goes far past biblical scholars. It applies to most anyone before said time period. Oh baloney, outhouse. You have no idea what y...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 231825

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Easy said. Sounds good. Bravo! And where did you go from that? On the fence and leaning towards mythicism, because you are not served with tons of clear-cut undisputed evidence for historicity. Oh my god, Bernard. Can you get your bloody obsession with the mythicism-historicism divide off your brai...