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by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

The sense is not that they all follow the same belief, Ulan, because it says there is division and that one person follows Peter, one follow, Apollos, and one follows Christ. They are all part of the same community, so the general message is similar. There are divisions about details, and each apos...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

And the verses preceding 1 Cor 1:12 show indications of 'divisions' among them: Paul is appealing for them to toe the line - If you think of Paul's letters as a collection of beg letters from some itinerant peddler in religion, where he basically solicits donations for "the poor" (when I ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

... This is something that gets abundantly clear from the rest of 1Cor. What seems clear from the rest of 1 Cor 1 is that Paul is trying to sell a better theological product - 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards [according to the flesh], ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

Ulan wrote: It doesn't say "Christ" is an apostle. The sense is basically that people should not split into factions, as they obviously all follow Christ.
I don't think it's obvious that 'they all follow Christ'.
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

And the verses preceding 1 Cor 1:12 show indications of 'divisions' among them: Paul is appealing for them to toe the line - 10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind an...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

earlydude wrote:What's the significance of the baptising here, MrMacSon?
I think it means that Paul was, at some stage, distinct from - outside - the Jesus cult
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

or there was/were concurrent competing belief/s (which, as you say, is/are likely to be "an earlier tradition of saviour figures that reached them before the Jesus doctrine did"). The text itself does not allow for that interpretation. You may speculate all you want that there were such f...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

Not really, because "I follow Christ" is included amongst these other figures followed by members of the Corinthian church. As I said, just read the text, as it's self-evident. Basically what winningdude said, and he quoted Paul's questions that make this completely unambiguous. People sh...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24764

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

... look how Paul phrases it "What I mean is this: One of you (In the Church at Corinth) says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”... Clearly there are worshipers in the Corinthian church who've either got the gospel messa...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ignatz: Krazy Kat or Krazy editors?
Replies: 108
Views: 83081

Re: Ignatz: Krazy Kat or Krazy editors?

The Ultimate source of the motif of a bird ascending at the funeral pyre is [Cassius Dio's account of] the Funeral of Augustus 42 2 When the body had been placed on the pyre in the Campus Martius, all the priests marched round it first; and then the knights, not only those belonging to the equestri...