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But if the community was Greek-speaking they may have been unaware of the names implication in Hebrew. Thus the outsiders were unaware and this is OK, while the insiders of marcionite elite knew the name and the contradiction by it raised for traditional Jewish messianism (the quasi impossible anti...

yes, but my problem is : could a marcionite be really satisfied with the name ''YHWH saves'' for his object of cult?

I fear no because not all the marcionite people could see the irony that that apparent ''YHWH saves'' was not really the salvation of demiurg YHWH but of deus alienus.

I should remember this article of G. Ory translated by Salm. http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2012/09/28/the-christ-and-jesus-ory/ I find there particularly interesting this claim: At the same time, Jesus is not called Yeoshua in the Talmud but Yesou (from the Greek Iesous). This shows that aramaic sp...

I read this, too, about the possible PAGAN origin of name ''Jesus'': The gospel story may be wholly explained as the writing down—about 50 years after Paul's death—of a "mystery play" reflecting the mystical function of "the Son": God being born in us—as in the Minoan mysteries. ...

But yes, in effect I think you are right, It's a true insoluble problem and my solution is not so good as I thought before: it smacks of conspiracy. But why any trace coming back II CE of a original previous name for angel Jesus is not survived? Should I really believe that before marcionites was al...

this because you seem, in my view, a firm believer in reductio ad Judaeum , namely the obsessive idea that every Christian origin must ultimately traced back to Judaism tout court withouth no possibility of pagan influences. I read this about the probability that Joshua was already a GENERIC title o...

There would be some logical contradiction in your reply. I have speculated about Bar Kochba etc withouth knowing nothing before now about what says a certain ''Ibrahim ibn Daud in the Book of Tradition (Sefer Ha-Qabbalah) in c 1161 CE'' and sincerely this doesn't interest me. My view is that CYRENE ...

''Jesus'' means ''YHWH saves''. For marcionites, the Demiurg surely doesn't save the mankind. But we are said that in Mcn the principal hero is named ''Jesus'', ''YHWH saves'', beyond any doubt. Who thinks that marcionites were very early, don't accept easily this fact. And he speculates about possi...

And why Simon ''was passing by on his way in from the country '' ? Why ''from the country''? We already know who went from country to city . He was Jesus Bar-Abbas. A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. (Mk 15:7) Luke here would be mo...

What I can say? I know about late jewish medieval sources that named a Rufus as Simon Bar Kochba's son and a Romulus (!!!) as his nephew, very strange for a zealot Jew naming his son and nephew with Roman names (!). But the point is another. I can see a clear marcionite antithesis behind the cyrenai...