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by spin
Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

15:13 is where the crunch comes that makes Paul's reasoning clear (and it's the reasoning all the way to verse 18). "If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised" But you think he's just told them that eye witnesses are clear that Jesus was raised. This verse h...
by spin
Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Paul's logic works much more clearly without there being resurrection stories (and the other superfluous and misleading stuff) preceding it. Verse 12 often starts with "Now" which just isn't appropriate. The word δε usually indicates a contrarity/adversity, eg "but" as in "...
by spin
Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

GakuseiDon: "So how is it problematic?" 13 "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen " But we are supposed to have just had testimony that Christ had risen. Paul didn't have such testimony, otherwise his reasoning doesn't make sense. I don't understa...
by spin
Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

GakuseiDon: "So how is it problematic?"

13 "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen"

But we are supposed to have just had testimony that Christ had risen. Paul didn't have such testimony, otherwise his reasoning doesn't make sense.
by spin
Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Your reference to being born of a woman "could be applied to literally anyone who was born Jewish" and is of no relevance. It's only relevant insofar as it shows Paul claims Jesus was born on earth. Saying he was "born to a woman" indicates that Jesus was not essentially a divin...
by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

That's the beauty of messianic expectation. The messiah was naturally Jewish, ie born of a Jewish woman and a descendent of Abraham, of the line of David. That's what was expected. This particular Messianic expectation could be applied to literally anyone who was born Jewish. And I'm not familiar w...
by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
Replies: 153
Views: 76148

2 Tim & Luke

2 Tim 4:11 (and Col 4:14) may be an effort to establish Lk.
by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
Replies: 153
Views: 76148

Re: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)

Mt 26 Mk 14 Lk 22 1 Cor 11 27 Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, και λαβων ποτηριον ευχαριστησας εδωκεν αυτοις 23 Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, και λαβων ποτηριον ευχαριστησας εδωκεν αυτοις 20 And he did the same with the cup after supp...
by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33270

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

[Paul] does not seem like he was at all interested in whatever Jesus said or did here on Earth. Had Jesus said or done anything on earth at the time of Paul's writing? We simply assume by convention that the Jerusalem people were "Christian", though nothing indicates that they were. We on...