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by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:11 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis
Replies: 155
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Re: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis

Three Marcionite arguments are mentioned: (1) John was the man of the demiurge and ignorant of the new deity. (2) The title mentions a singular gospel: based on the argument , the title was "the gospel" or "the beginning of the gospel of Christ Jesus." The former is a scholarly ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:28 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis
Replies: 155
Views: 8887

Re: Markan Marcion: A Contrarian Synopsis

Relevant here: an association with Mark is confirmed by Origen. That's a Marcionite argument Origen is making. Origen must know both Paul's "my gospel" and Mark's "gospel of Christ Jesus" as Marcionite arguments. And this has to be another attestation that Mark has something to ...
by Ken Olson
Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15
Replies: 18
Views: 620

Re: John Granger Cook 2017 article on the Question of an Empty Tomb in 1 Corinthians 15

This is a post I originally posted back on June 6, 2018, but I have edited it slightly for clarity and layout and to fix typos: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87960#p87960 The last verse of Mark may be a kind of find story designed to explain why this information about the women dis...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

3) Finally, the argument presumes that the saying of Jesus in Luke 4.23, 'Physician, heal yourself; what we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here also in your own country' was present in the Evangelion, but only the 'physician heal yourself' part is positively attested to be there even assuming ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

it's also not clear that the previous verse summary of Jesus activity: 'And J esus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee, and a report concerning him went out through all the surrounding country' would exclude the possibility that the reports of Jesus returning to Galilee in the power of...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

What I'm really interested in is whether you accept that: (1) In the Evangelion, Jesus did not exist on earth before he descended to Capernaum Sure, yes. and (2) if you do, do you allow that the highlighted sections of the passage in Luke, and particularly the word πατρίδιin,were probably not in th...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

What I'm really interested in is whether you accept that: (1) In the Evangelion, Jesus did not exist on earth before he descended to Capernaum and (2) if you do, do you allow that the highlighted sections of the passage in Luke, and particularly the word πατρίδιin,were probably not in the Evangelion...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

BeDuhn does not include the remainder in his minimal reconstruction, and the final part about his own country ('fatherland' might be a more literal translation) is, in my opinion, very unlikely to have been in the Evangelion because Jesus had just arrived on earth in 4.31, and he had not grown up i...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23
Replies: 31
Views: 586

Re: “You got nothing. You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!”: in Canonical Luke Jesus merely spoke BEFORE 4:23

3) Finally, the argument presumes that the saying of Jesus in Luke 4.23, 'Physician, heal yourself; what we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here also in your own country' was present in the Evangelion, but only the 'physician heal yourself' part is positively attested to be there even assuming ...
by Ken Olson
Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:34 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Has anyone compiled a list of readings shared by Marcion's Evangelion with Mark and/or Matthew but not in Luke?
Replies: 5
Views: 210

The Evangelion, L, M, and Luke's Great Omission

This is a post I began a month or so ago. It is a quick and dirty look at the contents of Marcion versus the contents of Mark, Luke, and Matthew. It is not a full synopsis such as Peter Kirby is working on, not a list of material shared by the Evangelion and Mark or Matthew, but not in Luke. Both th...