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- Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:06 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
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Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
There are a few possibilities: (1) No statement on this topic whatsoever goes back to the Antitheses. (2) A statement about Luke's gospel doesn't go back to the Antitheses. (3) A statement about Luke's gospel does go back to the Antitheses, but both Luke and the Gospel used by Marcion were too old ...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:32 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 128
Re: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
I have not found any yet. Thanks. No, me neither, but I've only just started looking. I posit that there is a literary relationship between John and the synoptics and that John knew and used all of then. I also think we have enough data to say there is a literary relationship between Luke and the E...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:40 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 128
Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
Are there any known Marcion-Johannine readings? That is, readings attested for Marcion that he has in common with John alone among the canonical gospels?
Best,
Ken
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Ken
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 722
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
The argument is not that verse 4:15 is designed to explain completely the verse 4:14. The argument is that the explicit epitet of 'physician' requires an equally explicit exorcism story before the episode of Nazareth. It can't require an implicit hearsay about previous exorcisms, because even the n...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 722
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Also, Jesus' claim that the people will doubtless say 'Physician, heal thyself" is a presupposition that there is something wrong with Jesus, which in all likelihood is that he is possessed by a spirit, which he is. Very easy confutation: verse 4:14-16 explains enough well the part ' heal hims...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:16 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 722
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Thesis 11
Many of the passages in the synoptics labeled as Anti-Marcionite can very plausibly be understood otherwise, as common Christian supercessionism (of Judaism) or as Matthew or Luke's theological corrections of Mark (or Luke's of Matthew).
Best,
Ken
Many of the passages in the synoptics labeled as Anti-Marcionite can very plausibly be understood otherwise, as common Christian supercessionism (of Judaism) or as Matthew or Luke's theological corrections of Mark (or Luke's of Matthew).
Best,
Ken
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:09 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 722
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Please. Why not read Mein Kampf and draw from it the "essential characteristics" of the Jewish people or Luther's "The Jews and their Lies"? It's a joke these theses. No one knows what the "Antitheses" were. No has the original text of Irenaeus's Adversus Marcionem upo...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 722
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
10 Theses on Marcion and the Evangelion 1) Marcion created the Evangelion primarily from Luke, mostly by removing material he believed to have been interpolated into the original gospel by Judaizers. In traditional synoptic problem terms, it is attested that the Evangelion has a good many of Luke’s...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
- Replies: 21
- Views: 385
Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
The reading Origen is quoting is peculiar to Luke among the synoptics, is it not? Have I given the impression that I don't think there are readings "peculiar to Luke among the synoptics" in *Ev? No, not at all. There is considerable Lukan Sondergut or L material paralleled in the Evangeli...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
- Replies: 21
- Views: 385
Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
Roth is also missing Origen's Fragment 166, where Origen is commenting on Luke 10:27-28. These words are spoken against the disciples of Valentinus and Basilides, and those of Marcion, for they too have these words in their "Gospel." We shall say to them, "When Jesus agreed with the ...