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by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Book on Sethian Gnosis
Replies: 14
Views: 24763

Re: New Book on Sethian Gnosis

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't see that there are any particular assumptions necessarily inherent to the mere use of the word "pagan" by modern historians. If I did, then I might agree with you.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The quest for the historical Christian communities
Replies: 22
Views: 15750

The quest for the historical Christian communities

Victor Paul Furnish has some brief words to say against a crop of writers questioning the historicity of Jesus, including: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/reviews/is-this-not-the-carpenter/ "Moreover, most of the contributors take little account of the role of the Christian communities withi...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:06 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: atheist sunday service
Replies: 13
Views: 31191

Re: atheist sunday service

There aren't that many highly visible opportunities - especially for someone who might otherwise be "socially undesirable" (old, fat, disabled, etc.) - to have a regular and supportive social gathering weekly, outside of the institutions that have aped the Jewish, Christian, and other reli...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: my Testimonium article
Replies: 88
Views: 101020

Re: my Testimonium article

How often does Josephus refer to anyone as "the brother of"? Plenty. https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aearlyjewishwritings.com+josephus+%22brother+of%22&oq=site%3Aearlyjewishwritings.com+josephus+%22brother+of%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.6794j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=2...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Book on Sethian Gnosis
Replies: 14
Views: 24763

Re: New Book on Sethian Gnosis

Right away I like how this guy thinks. I can't believe historians actually use the dumb Christian slander "pagan" as if it were appropriate or even meaningful. Hellenic is not a direct equivalent to "pagan." I don't think historians, in general, like the etymology of "pagan...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Archaeological Evidence of pre-Constantinian Christianity
Replies: 137
Views: 124664

Re: Archaeological Evidence of pre-Constantinian Christianit

Your original point was to support your idiotic contention that there were no witnesses to Christianity before Nicaea. None of these sources do that - so shut the fuck up. Without dumbass quote mining, he'd have nothing to say. And avi should be ashamed for promoting it. I'd like to see the forum m...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Megyn "Jesus was a white man ... He was a historical figure"
Replies: 9
Views: 11174

Re: Megyn "Jesus was a white man ... He was a historical fig

"Jesus was a white man, too. He was a historical figure. That’s a verifiable fact." [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV_9ch2kQ3c#t=118[/youtube] [youtube]http://youtu.be/LV_9ch2kQ3c[/youtube] [youtube]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “High/Early Christology”: A Crack in the Foundations?
Replies: 27
Views: 26111

Re: “High/Early Christology”: A Crack in the Foundations?

As Chester observes, it’s really the evidence that seems to require the conclusion that Jesus-devotion erupted rapidly and originated in circles of Jewish Jesus-followers in Judea . That conclusion (with variations in emphases) is now supported by a wide (and growing) spectrum of scholars. (a retir...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points
Replies: 18
Views: 40620

Re: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points

Herculean task, you say? Sounds like fun. ;)
by Peter Kirby
Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points
Replies: 18
Views: 40620

Re: Historicity of Jesus - the Talking Points

But the Gospel of Mark was written in the 1st/2nd AD and refers to Pilate, a figure of the 1st AD. It may still be a work removed from the description of the real world even then, but it is in that case a good question why it would choose to refer to the end coming in the lives of some of those sta...