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by maryhelena
Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

MrMacSon

Perhaps you could point out exactly what, in your above three posts, suggests that Pilate first arrived in Judea in 26 c.e. What, in your above posts, would contradict the opinion of Daniel Schwartz and Steve Mason that Pilate arrived earlier than that date - i.e. around 18/19 c.e.
by maryhelena
Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

Daniel Schwartz: Studies in the Jewish Background of Christianity . Page 200. Chart detailing Schwartz chronology. Page 190. Antiquities Historical Details Years 18.33b-35 V. Gratus governorship; Pilate appointed. 14/15 - ? 18.36-38 Antipas builds Tiberius 19-21 18.39-54 "At that time" Pa...
by maryhelena
Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS VOLUME 1B JUDEAN WAR 2 TRANSLATION AND COMMENTARY BY STEVE MASON Pilate’s dates in office are usually given as 26-36 CE, on the strength of Ant. 18.35, which has his predecessor Valerius Gratus in Judea for 11 years, and 18.89, which gives Pilate 10 years in office, a calculation t...
by maryhelena
Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

Perhaps the ambiguity raises the question ' if more is at play', rather than 'suggests that more is at play'. :consternation: Perhaps the ambiguity in Josephus * raises the question ' if more is at play*, rather than 'suggests that more is at play'. Take your pick and run with it..... ;)
by maryhelena
Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

Ambiguity in Josephus regarding both the arrival and the departure of Pilate suggests that more is at play here than the length of Pilate's rule in Judea. Perhaps the ambiguity raises the question ' if more is at play', rather than 'suggests that more is at play'. :consternation: What do you mean b...
by maryhelena
Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

Surprising List of Scholars Who Date Pilate to 18 CE http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797 Josephus and Dating Pilate http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=809&p=17360 The Chronology and Tenure of Pontius Pilate, New Evidence for Re-dating the Period of Office. Jud...
by maryhelena
Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pontius Pilate, Ponticus, and Propaganda

Not only is the usual date for the arrival of Pontius Pilate in Judea questionable - there are also historical problems with his removal from office. Daniel Schwartz: Studies in the Jewish Background to Christianity: Pontius Pilate's Suspension from Office: Chronology and Sources T h e P r o b l e m...
by maryhelena
Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Re: Pontius Pilate, Ponticus, and Propaganda

... As demonstrated by Daniel Schwartz, Pilate was in Judea from 18 c.e. to 36/37 c.e. - approximately 19 or so years, an unusually long period of time. Livius says otherwise re Pilates starting year and tenure - Pontius Pilate was the Roman governor of Judaea from 26 CE to 36 CE; in this capacity,...
by maryhelena
Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?
Replies: 21
Views: 13825

Pilate's tenure - did it begin AD 18 or 26?

<snip> So, to put a hypothesis out there plainly, I would like to suggest that the stereotyped phrase "before Pontius Pilate" in connection with Jesus' suffering and death found in second century writing connected with the Roman church had a certain propaganda value. Without actually nami...
by maryhelena
Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Lena Einhorn - A Shift In Time
Replies: 118
Views: 66849

Re: Lena Einhorn - A Shift In Time

The simple answer is that the gospel story is a condensing of Jewish/Hasmonean history I agree there is some condensation present in the gospels, but I doubt if this condensation has something to do with the Hasmoneans. Instead there are indications that the gospels have been written by an anti-Has...