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Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:11 am
Have you heard the story of the boy who cried Pilate?

The argument described in this thread has an absolute explanatory power about the question "Why Pilate?".

The bit about the Samaritan is almost certainly from John 8.48: John 8.48 The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Peter Schäfer has given an explanation of the origin of that accusation reported in John 8:48: Jesus was confused with a Samaritan...

Gavin Mcdowell doesn't believe that the historical Jesus was crucified under Janneus, and therefore he is titled to write: The most salient fact about the historical Jesus it that he died by crucifixion. The most notorious episode in the life of Alexander Jannaeus was his crucifixion of the 800 Phar...

Hence note the remarkable coincidence:

• Janneus is known to have crucified many Jews ⟶ for the Talmud: Janneus crucified Jesus

• Pilate is known to have crucified many Samaritans ⟶ for *Ev: Pilate crucified Jesus

Hence, in the chronological order: Jesus is undated in time and space. Anti-demiurgist Christians appeared on the scene in the Diaspora. At least a Samaritan, "Simon Magus", was one of them. Jews in the Diaspora started to condemn Jesus as a generic Samaritan impostor. Someone in the Diasp...

Peter Schäfer, Jesus in the Talmud , p. 122, my bold: It is left to the vicious acumen of Tertullian to summarize what the Jews think of Jesus. When he vividly imagines the last day of judgment—with the emperors who claimed to have been taken up to heaven, the governors of the provinces who persecut...

I do not believe that Couchoud is discussing a statement from Alfred Loisy, 'Marcion's Gospel. A Reply', Hibbert Journal 34 (1936) 378-387 there. I do not know where Loisy may have said what Couchoud is discussing. At contrary I think that Couchoud is replying just to that article, since Loisy coul...

Ok, but the point of the thread, beyond the title, is that Ben C. Smith claimed that we don't have evidence of the Marcion's interpretation of the demons's recognition of Jesus as a wrong recognition, whereas I have shown the point in Tertullian where it is clearly said that, according to Marcion, t...

I see that Loisy talks about the Lord's Prayer in the his other anti-Couchoud book ( Histoire et mythe à propos de Jésus-Christ , p. 140-141): Forme de l'Oraison dominale dans l' Evangelion ( Luc , XI, 2-4), traduction Couchoud: Père, que ton saint Esprit vienne sur nous et nous purifie. Que ton règ...

And yet Loisy seems to concede that in the case of the prayer of the Lord, a modification has been made directly against Marcion. At least judging from the reply by Couchoud: I will try to show that, to the four canonical Gospels, there must be added the Gospel of Marcion, now lost but almost comple...