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by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:23 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: The Beginning of the Rabbinic Tradition
Replies: 37
Views: 34338

Re: The Beginning of the Rabbinic Tradition

And things from Acts count as history? For you?
by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 212871

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

I think the best argument for historicism is that it's the simplest explanation for the evidence. With that said the best argument against historicism IMHO is that the material in our canon was not pristinely preserved. The texts themselves were chosen, the texts themselves were arranged into a cano...
by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 212871

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

There are documents which suggest that Paul met Seneca. Correspondences survive between the two men. There are Patristic witnesses who say this actually happened. Must be true.
by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who existed ? When ? Where ?
Replies: 287
Views: 212871

Re: Who existed ? When ? Where ?

I date Captain America's battles with Red Skull between 1941 - 1945 based on the internal evidence of the surviving literature associated with him.
by Secret Alias
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the baptism (but not John) interpolated in Mark?
Replies: 100
Views: 47456

Re: Is the baptism (but not John) interpolated in Mark?

So let's grant Ben's argument that Against Praxean is essentially about a 'different sort' of adoptionism than what scholars suppose was associated with the Gospel of Mark. But how was the Gospel of Mark read in antiquity? I don't think we have any actual evidence outside of assumptions developed fr...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The date of 2 Thessalonians.
Replies: 121
Views: 117308

Re: The date of 2 Thessalonians.

... adding to it's historical credibility
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the baptism (but not John) interpolated in Mark?
Replies: 100
Views: 47456

Re: Is the baptism (but not John) interpolated in Mark?

I have to admit I've never spent a lot of time thinking about the baptism narrative(s). It is worth noting that nowhere does the name 'Christ' appear. The purpose is to (literally) announce Jesus as the Son. The temptation by the Devil is centrally focused again on whether or not Jesus 'really' is t...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating of the Fourth Gospel: Nongbri
Replies: 22
Views: 18181

Re: Dating of the Fourth Gospel: Nongbri

It is worth asking though at what point Romans became aware that Christians were a distinct people. For instance, in modern parlance, a whole host of subcategories have emerged among the LGBTQ (I don't even know if I have included all the appropriate initials). They were likely simply referred to as...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “They say that Christ passed through (διδεσαντα) Mary like water flows through a tube (καθάπερ ὕδωρ διὰ σωλῆνος ὁδεύει)”
Replies: 1
Views: 1097

Re: “They say that Christ passed through (διδεσαντα) Mary like water flows through a tube (καθάπερ ὕδωρ διὰ σωλῆνος ὁδεύ

It is worth noting that the discussion where this reference to the 'tube' appears in Porphyry immediately after raising the question whether or not the soul enters the womb with the sperm or after. Indeed the implication of this anonymous cited opinion in Ad Garum seems to have very significant impl...
by Secret Alias
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “They say that Christ passed through (διδεσαντα) Mary like water flows through a tube (καθάπερ ὕδωρ διὰ σωλῆνος ὁδεύει)”
Replies: 1
Views: 1097

“They say that Christ passed through (διδεσαντα) Mary like water flows through a tube (καθάπερ ὕδωρ διὰ σωλῆνος ὁδεύει)”

Irenaeus, Adversus haereses, 1.7.2 I find this position fascinating because (as I note in a previous thread) it squares with the radical monarchian view of the heretic described in Tertullian's Against Praxean. The idea here seems to be that not only were there two powers - Jesus and Christ correspo...