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by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen's interesting ideas
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: Origen's interesting ideas

May have relevance for how some could have interpreted Mark 6:4 // Luke 4:24 // John 4:44 also. Commentary on Matthew 10.18 But Jesus said to them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country. [Matthew 13:57] We must inquire whether the expression has the same force when applied univers...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen's interesting ideas
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: Origen's interesting ideas

There are a couple analogies here, including: The prophets and Moses had the function of "a tutor and stewards and guardians." (Galatians 3:24) In comparison to Christ, the scriptures appear as dung (Philippians 3:8), fertilizing a tree that bears fruit (Luke 13:8). Commentary on Matthew 1...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen's interesting ideas
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: Origen's interesting ideas

Celsus makes a remark, according to Platonist philosophy (objecting to the immortal divine Logos being "subject to change and reshaping"), to which Origen replies that what "appears to Celsus" is in error, and that he should learn that "while the Logos remains Logos in essen...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen's interesting ideas
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Re: Origen's interesting ideas

Origen, Homilies on Luke 6.4-6, pp. 24-26. 4.1 found an elegant statement in the letter of a martyr—I mean Ignatius, the second bishop of Antioch after Peter. During a persecution, he fought against wild animals at Rome. He stated, “Mary’s virginity escaped the notice of the ruler of this age.”9 It ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen's interesting ideas
Replies: 5
Views: 114

Origen's interesting ideas

This thread is started as a place to put down some of Origen's "interesting ideas." Mainly because otherwise I'd forget them. The main heuristic is that I wonder if they were known before Origen wrote, e.g. to the 'heterodox', but I don't know. Homilies on the Psalms 77.8.3, p. 382 The Jew...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Irenaeus Says the Carpocratians Referred to Jesus as a "Naked Man" (Nude Hominem)
Replies: 10
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Re: Irenaeus Says the Carpocratians Referred to Jesus as a "Naked Man" (Nude Hominem)

The notion of Logos being envisaged as a ‘stark-naked’ one (γυμνὸς) is a recurring motif in Origen: it suggests the Logos not only as incorporeal but also as not being involved with, or engaging in, generating the material reality.200 On this, Philo influenced him.201 Two of the most faithful follo...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen on the heterodox
Replies: 22
Views: 212

Re: Origen on the heterodox

In parallel to a well-known passage of Irenaeus where Polycarp supposedly called Marcion the firstborn of Satan: Homilies on the Psalms 77.7.7, pp. 376-377 The first brought to birth in a teaching alien to salvation is the firstborn of that teaching, having been given birth by the devil. For example...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen on the heterodox
Replies: 22
Views: 212

Re: Origen on the heterodox

Origen recalls a discussion with "adherents of Marcion," where he says that they relied on what is written as a proof of God the Father (and probably excludes Marcionites from the sects that prove their ideas "from the law or from the prophets"). Origen basically proposes that th...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen on the heterodox
Replies: 22
Views: 212

Re: Origen on the heterodox

When Origen uses the phrase "good God" ( agathos theos ) in these homilies, it's as a criticism of Marcionites, either implicit or explicit. Another example ( Homilies on the Psalms 74.3, p. 224): And in our argument, in keeping with “the earth melted, and all who dwell on it,” we have in...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Origen on the heterodox
Replies: 22
Views: 212

Re: Origen on the heterodox

Origen again on the same theme of the so-called "wrath" of God ( Homilies on the Psalms 77.9.1, p. 399) Thus he himself is also without wrath (ἀόργητός), for an inner disturbance (πάθος) does not attach to God. But when you commit many sins, you enkindle for yourself a wrath called “wrath ...