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by Joseph D. L.
Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
Replies: 41
Views: 1365

Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel

If the first Gospel was Marcionite then let's look at what we know: 1) The Marcionites discounted a biographical Jesus in favour of a purely conceptual Chrestus 2) John the Baptist was highly regarded among them; plus his ultimate fate is unknown 3) Somehow Chrestus usurps the Law of the Jews, and p...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

holy shit Giuseppe thanks for this tip I did a Syriac search on SHKR and it's also a Hebrew word 'škrwtˀ - SHKROTA (something like ESHKAROTA) drunkenness from SHKR meaning the same plus 'defame'. Judas the drunken. Now you may giggle but spiritual drunkenness comes up in the odes. In John Judas goe...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

not the fluency reacquired for this feat. do you think that the fluency was not required in the case of the realization of the meaning of "Barabbas" as "Son of Father", while it was required to compare the Latin name "Pilate" to the personal Semitic name "Pelet&qu...
by Joseph D. L.
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

yes but there is a third option: that the interpolator of the Barabbas episode knew the Hebrew and wrote in Greek. There are instances of this being case in the Gospels, particularly the crucifixion in Matthew and Mark to highlight the ignorance of the Jewish crowd, but in these cases [or this, sha...
by Joseph D. L.
Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

The issue is you are comparing a Latin name to a pun that only works in Ugarit/Hebrew. If the Gospels were written in Greek for a Greek speaking and reading audience why would a pun like this be used? or indeed even concieved? plt is just a root but there are, at least according to the theological d...
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Well you guys can have it your way but I think you both should get some perspective about this. Peter, if you have such an issue with what Giuseppe is saying then why engage with him? Surely you don't think you can change his mind about this? SA, did not you yourself not too long ago make a post abo...
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

And I'm on my phone in the breakroom at work so I can't go too in depth. Hopefully you guys can understand the spirit of what I was saying.
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Far be it for me to impose a hermeneutic interpretation onto texts written two thousand years ago, I think what Giuseppe is doing underlies two points of poignant scope that address Peter's and SA's criticisms respectively. Point 1 for Peter: The Gospels are not historical and thus should be treated...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

I don't know. I will admit that the plt/savior/releaser pun is conspicuous and does provide for some interesting hermeneutics. What Giuseppe is suggesting is that it is a happy coincidence for Pilate to be both historical so as to tie down the Jesus story on earth, and for his name to have a certain...
by Joseph D. L.
Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4648

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

I apologize for mischaracterizing your position. To be honest I have never been able to wrap my mind around what you have been arguing because it seems so counterintuitive, especially with the obvert comparison to the Yom Kippur ritual in Leviticus 16. I can follow the line of thinking that Pilate i...