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- Sun May 20, 2018 4:57 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
So was Philo not universalistic in your view? I note that you are not confuting the Rylands's argument linked above about the Odes. Philo was a Hellenist who acknowledged the use of the Temple as the center of Judaism; the Odes are clearly post-Temple, writing that it had been carried away in a flo...
- Sun May 20, 2018 1:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
about evidence that the Odes are pre-70 read here. http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3141&start=60#p87088. His [of the author of the Odes] universalistic outlook is indeed apparent in the extracts already given. emphasize added Right there, the supposed evidence for a pre-7...
- Sun May 20, 2018 12:05 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Earliest Gospel was not written by a Jew
- Replies: 42
- Views: 28774
Re: The Earliest Gospel was not written by a Jew
I say it because of this point: why some Jewish Christians introduced the idea that Christ wasn't killed while another man was killed in the his place. Pure APOLOGY to exorcize the dramatic reality. No, that was the original mystery, that Jesus had been killed while another was freed, or escaped. Bu...
- Sat May 19, 2018 11:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
The community of the Odes of Solomon was a pre-70 Jewish community in the Diaspora that was anti-Jewish (and persecuted by the Jews) and adored the god of the Jews, according to prof Stevan L. Davies. Also the Naassenes were pre-70 Jews from the Diaspora but they hated the god of the Jews. All of t...
- Sat May 19, 2018 10:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Earliest Gospel was not written by a Jew
- Replies: 42
- Views: 28774
Re: The Earliest Gospel was not written by a Jew
You seem to alternate between arguments that only work if you presuppose historicity, and arguments presuming mythicism. Which is it?
- Sat May 19, 2018 10:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
No, I am not supporting a gentile-first Christianity. You have made comments in the past about Christianity being "Judaicized". You even say so here: The incident of Antiochia proves that a conflict happened between gentiles and Judaizers. Before the 70. What exactly is a Judaizer? Someon...
- Sat May 19, 2018 9:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
Not at all. Paul makes several comments that only make sense in a post-Kitos era, seemingly supports Hadrian's policies, and at once upholds certain Jewish customs while opposing others. I think you're not realizing that the situation is far more nuanced than you think, all in an attempt to support ...
- Sat May 19, 2018 5:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
But you talk about Paul as if he was a Jew. That is fine. But then you can't move the his epistles in 2° CE, unless you make him a Gentile (i.e. Marcion of Sinope). I don't understand how you can make such a statement. Paul himself speaks of his tutelage in Judaism in Galatians , constantly reitera...
- Sat May 19, 2018 9:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Jesus and Christ
- Replies: 35
- Views: 31233
Re: Jesus and Christ
Was "Jesus" an addition? The short answer: no. The long answer: Jesus Christ, or Isu Chrestus, is entirely applicable to Pauline Christology, wherein the spirit was pre-existent in the realm of heaven (I would argue it existed in the sun), and would descend and enter a righteous enough ho...
- Sat May 19, 2018 2:44 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
- Replies: 21
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Re: Was Irenaeus's and Marcion's Christianity a Response to Celsus's 'True Word'?
Celsus may be as late as Zephyrinus and Severus, who also co-ruled with his son, Caracalla.