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by Kapyong
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday neilgodfrey :) Granted the lack of evidence for Hadrian erecting a temple/placing of image in temple, I had somehow for some reason understood that Hadrian promoted himself as a reincarnated Antiochus Epiphanes and that plausibly had something to do with the rumours and "fake news" of...
by Kapyong
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday neilgodfrey :) Does Detering say that Hadrian tried to place a statue on the Temple Mount? He doesn't say 'statue' explicitly, but he does refer to arguments over erecting : a temple to Zeus, the image of the emperor. It is most often thought that the Roman emperor Hadrian (117-138) provoked th...
by Kapyong
Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday Ben C. Smith :) I was refering to Hermann Detering's argument that this is about Emperor Hadrian trying to place a statue of Jupiter in the (ruined) Temple, which sparked the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132-135 AD. https://web.archive.org/web/20080227161050/http://www.radikalkritik.de/Mk13%20JHC.pdf I...
by Kapyong
Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday neilgodfrey :) There are also the several possible anachronisms (synagogues, rabbis, Nazareth, anti-semitism and anti-Pharisaism, Roman coins for tax...) that are best explained by a composition some time well after 70. Is synagogue really an anachronism ? Philo mentions them several times, e.g...
by Kapyong
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday Ben C. Smith :) The Abomination of the Desolation (τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως) is arguably the best clue that points to a late date. What do you think the "abomination of desolation" lines up with? I was refering to Hermann Detering's argument that this is about Emperor Hadrian trying ...
by Kapyong
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 126854

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Gday Irish1975, Another perennial favourite topic :) Longstanding consensus among NT scholars has it that Mark was written circa 70. Maybe 65-80 if you ask around. But although the Jewish-Roman war provides a clear basement for dating Mark, I have never understood what specific evidence or criteria ...
by Kapyong
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
Replies: 10
Views: 6679

Re: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air

Gday Bernard Muller :) Hope you're doing well. AoI-like 'in the air' However AoI does not say Jesus was crucified in the air. Cordially, Bernard Well, fairy nuff, but I think my point was clear, (even if the AoI is not so much.) I had never heard these quotes from Athanasius the Undying before, and ...
by Kapyong
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
Replies: 10
Views: 6679

Re: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air

Gday Giuseppe :) So the best possible explanation is that various people in different times, independently the one from other, can arrive to the same identical conclusion: the pauline Jesus was crucified "in the air". Yes, but his words make it clear he means it like Ben C. Smith's picture...
by Kapyong
Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
Replies: 247
Views: 133842

Re: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus

I'm the first kid on my block to have a Loeb account :D Here are some cites of 'sublunar' that are interesting : The84 high priest is bidden to put on a similar dressd when he enters the inner shrine to offer incense, because its fine linen is not, like wool, the product of creatures subject to deat...
by Kapyong
Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
Replies: 247
Views: 133842

Re: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus

Yup,
'sub-lunar heavens' seems best, and so very much better than 'outer-space'.
I criticised Dr Carrier for that, his humble reply was : "I showed why I was right in my book."