Search found 532 matches
- Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday neilgodfrey :) Granted the lack of evidence for Hadrian erecting a temple/placing of image in temple, I had somehow for some reason understood that Hadrian promoted himself as a reincarnated Antiochus Epiphanes and that plausibly had something to do with the rumours and "fake news" of...
- Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday neilgodfrey :) Does Detering say that Hadrian tried to place a statue on the Temple Mount? He doesn't say 'statue' explicitly, but he does refer to arguments over erecting : a temple to Zeus, the image of the emperor. It is most often thought that the Roman emperor Hadrian (117-138) provoked th...
- Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday Ben C. Smith :) I was refering to Hermann Detering's argument that this is about Emperor Hadrian trying to place a statue of Jupiter in the (ruined) Temple, which sparked the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132-135 AD. https://web.archive.org/web/20080227161050/http://www.radikalkritik.de/Mk13%20JHC.pdf I...
- Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday neilgodfrey :) There are also the several possible anachronisms (synagogues, rabbis, Nazareth, anti-semitism and anti-Pharisaism, Roman coins for tax...) that are best explained by a composition some time well after 70. Is synagogue really an anachronism ? Philo mentions them several times, e.g...
- Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday Ben C. Smith :) The Abomination of the Desolation (τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως) is arguably the best clue that points to a late date. What do you think the "abomination of desolation" lines up with? I was refering to Hermann Detering's argument that this is about Emperor Hadrian trying ...
- Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How late might the gospels be?
- Replies: 213
- Views: 126854
Re: How late might the gospels be?
Gday Irish1975, Another perennial favourite topic :) Longstanding consensus among NT scholars has it that Mark was written circa 70. Maybe 65-80 if you ask around. But although the Jewish-Roman war provides a clear basement for dating Mark, I have never understood what specific evidence or criteria ...
- Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
- Replies: 10
- Views: 6679
Re: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
Gday Bernard Muller :) Hope you're doing well. AoI-like 'in the air' However AoI does not say Jesus was crucified in the air. Cordially, Bernard Well, fairy nuff, but I think my point was clear, (even if the AoI is not so much.) I had never heard these quotes from Athanasius the Undying before, and ...
- Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:22 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
- Replies: 10
- Views: 6679
Re: Athanasius: it's right that the Lord should die in the air
Gday Giuseppe :) So the best possible explanation is that various people in different times, independently the one from other, can arrive to the same identical conclusion: the pauline Jesus was crucified "in the air". Yes, but his words make it clear he means it like Ben C. Smith's picture...
- Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
- Replies: 247
- Views: 133842
Re: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
I'm the first kid on my block to have a Loeb account :D Here are some cites of 'sublunar' that are interesting : The84 high priest is bidden to put on a similar dressd when he enters the inner shrine to offer incense, because its fine linen is not, like wool, the product of creatures subject to deat...
- Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
- Replies: 247
- Views: 133842
Re: Where is the more strong evidence in Paul pointing to an outer space Jesus
Yup,
'sub-lunar heavens' seems best, and so very much better than 'outer-space'.
I criticised Dr Carrier for that, his humble reply was : "I showed why I was right in my book."
'sub-lunar heavens' seems best, and so very much better than 'outer-space'.
I criticised Dr Carrier for that, his humble reply was : "I showed why I was right in my book."