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by MrMacSon
Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

"We can hardly suppose that the Syriac translator...should have made such omissions for the sake of brevity, more especially when these Epistles in themselves are so short." No doubt Cureton was more knowledgeable than I'll ever be, but surely this is an argument from incredulity. There a...
by MrMacSon
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

Have a read: https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Antient_Syriac_Version_of_the_Epistl/3UEYAAAAYAAJ?hl=en In the preface, on pp. x-xvi, Cureton discusses the 12 manuscripts he used to give the Syriac versions he does. Then in § IV, p.xvi, he notes, "In viewing the Syriac version of the ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

ebion wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:33 pmDo you have a feel for if the shorter Syriac leters of Ignatius refer to the Pauline Epistles in a way that is above and beyond what could be a reference to Paul-in-Acts?
Have a read: https://www.google.com.au/books/edition ... YAAJ?hl=en
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Important milestones in biblical scholarship
Replies: 25
Views: 711

Re: Important milestones in biblical scholarship

Intertextual scholarship, such as Thomas L Brodies, eg.

The Crucible Bridge
and Adam Winn's follow-up, Mark and the Elisha-Elijah Narrative
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Important milestones in biblical scholarship
Replies: 25
Views: 711

Re: Important milestones in biblical scholarship

The discovery and exegesis of the Nag Hammadi Library

The dicovery and exegesis of the Dead Sea Scrolls (and comparisons & contrast of some of it texts to other Jewish literature and to Christian doctrines (see viewtopic.php?p=168647#p168647 and following))
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
Replies: 53
Views: 2162

Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel

I get the impression that there was an early tradition of a John - probably [mostly] John, son of Zebedee - telling of a revelation from/by a Saviour/Christ/Jesus and of this eventually being usurped by [perhaps new] narratives about this Saviour-Christ or a Saviour-Jesus* +/- the Christ descending...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: re; re: reeeeeeee

Surely you know that Doherty and Carrier can explain all those under a mythicist rubric. No, I don't. But since they are tied into Paul I probably could develop questions about why you've gone down this path, but I sure as hell don't want to read your answers. You have this weird propensity to fram...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: re; re: reeeeeeee

But I will say: 5. The fact that the Ignatian Epistle to the Romans mentions Paul and Peter - as Apostles - is not evidence for the 'historicity' of Jesus. Who cares whether it's evidence for historicity or not. It's all fan fiction anyway. You appeared to care whether the Ignatian Letters were evi...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: references to Paul and Peter in the Ignatian Epistle to the Romans

The Syriac version refers to Paul and Peter ... Yes, it does. Jack Bull notes: "... In IgnRom 4 [the author, 'Ignatius'] admits he is not on the same level as the apostles, Peter and Paul, but there is still a recognition of his authority and his right to be able to instruct and command the fa...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: The Recensions of the Letters attributed to Ignatius

3. The short recessions. There are three manuscripts, written in Syriac. They are also called Curetonian epistles, named after William Cureton who published them in the 19th C. "The seven epistles in the ‘middle’ recension that are widely accepted as genuine ( IgnPol, IgnEph, IgnRom, IgnMag, I...