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- Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Which is the evidence that Jesus died recently for Paul?
- Replies: 12
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Re: Which is the evidence that Jesus died recently for Paul?
Given what Neil Godfrey said to me today*, I wonder if Jesus should be replaced with Christ in both Giuseppe's title and as a revision of Ben's 2006 post. * We need to work with what we read in Paul's letters and take all our cues from those ... He followed the same principles as taught by Stoic and...
- Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
That it's pre-70 I base on the evidence that Paul demonstrates no knowledge of the events of the War of 68-70. He speaks of Jews as redeemable as anyone else. That doesn't prove the texts we work with are pre-70 but it's a reasonable starting point. Could Paul be writing elsewhere: somewhere distan...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:16 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
also to Clive (and anyone else interested) - I took DCH's data and categorized it further (in the next post to the one above); Reproduced here (with slight grammatical or layout modification) Re-worked subtotals of the relative proportions to illustrate the real differences by groups. The four Gospe...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
I would look very carefully at all occurrences of Jesus and Christ, by themselves and together, Christ Jesus, Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord etc. Were any not names but a series of titles, God's anointed saviour? Might some be insertions for theological reasons? What might the originals ...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Temple?
- Replies: 62
- Views: 32606
Re: Temple?
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Yes, and, on the Temple Mount itself, it seems likely that Hadrian built on (added to) Herod's work there, too.
(I see you're still adding spaces, like some kind of puffer fish)
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Yes, and, on the Temple Mount itself, it seems likely that Hadrian built on (added to) Herod's work there, too.
(I see you're still adding spaces, like some kind of puffer fish)
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- Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
MrMacSon, in my view, Christianity didn't really adopt a "messianic" veneer until the Gospels were written. the Synoptic gospels? The events of the Jewish war(s) had little impact on Hellenistic Christians outside Palestine. Is there evidence there were Christians in Palestine at the time...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:48 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
I find it weird that Christianity (and its development) is proposed to be a reaction to the events of 68-70 AD/CE, and the events of 13-134/5 AD/CE (or both, and possibly events in between), but there are either no overt references to the events in those time periods, or scant references to them, in...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:37 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
The events of both 70 and the 130s were taken as a sign of God's wrath on the Jews. Paul has no such concept. (That solitary passage in Thess is an interpolation.) Paul is Paul. I think terms like "gnostic" and even "docetic" are way too fluid. We do know Valentinians and Marcio...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:29 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Origins of Christianity
- Replies: 345
- Views: 185810
Re: The Origins of Christianity
The possibility of a large exodus of Jews from Palestine would have galvanized the Jewish intellectual elite to produce an answer that evolved ... Dennis Sutherland. * with the Pauline-texts 'time-shifted' into the pre-70 time-period? to align with the gospel texts (as a back-story as doctrine was ...
- Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Temple?
- Replies: 62
- Views: 32606
Re: Temple?
3. It makes sense to suggest that in 135 AD, Hadrian build the outer wall of the temple mount we see today, since Josephus and the Mishna both say the size was half the what see today. The idea that Hadrian built the wailing and south walls, for example, is not without problems. First, the Hebrew i...