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by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Secret Alias wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:37 pm What is the point of discussing Luke in relation to Marcion? What is the value in this? They didn't think Luke wrote the gospel. They attributed that to Paul THE apostle.
Can we say anything about what was in the gospel attributed to Paul that can shed more light on the subject?
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

SA, sure, a word to the wise is sufficient here. And yet...

Are you trying to help me with the question in the OP? Maybe I am too dense to see the answer or the development towards one.
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Mark 1:1 Origen Commentarii in Ephesios (Fragmenta e catenis) (1) Date: ca.222 - ca.252 Genre: - Theme: Exegesis, Scripture Commentaries Clavis: 1460 Biblio: GREGG J.A.F., The commentary of Origen upon the epistle to the Ephesians, Journal of Theological Studies 3 (1902), 234-244 ; 398-420 ; 554-57...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 33
Views: 542

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

Math and statistics (my degree) papers just go up on arxiv.org
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Secret Alias wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:09 pm Come on. We both know. Whenever Paul's "my gospel" is mentioned half the time Mark 1:1 follows.
Alright, it makes sense, but I am also unsure if it's other people like Origen quoting it because that's their "Mark."
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Friedrich Nietzsche, often criticized what he saw as the dangers of excessive systematization in thought and philosophy. Nietzsche's warning about "systemizers" primarily revolves around his critique of philosophers and thinkers who try to fit the world into rigid, all-encompassing system...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Marcion thought Paul wrote a gospel which began with Mark 1:1. That's interesting. I'm down for the idea that Marcion thought Paul wrote a gospel, although I might introduce the variant here that Marcion considered Mark to be Paul's amenuensis for the gospel. But did it start with "the beginni...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 23
Views: 453

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

The methodology of biblical research cannot answer solely on the basis of the text whether the tradition described therein is historical or invented. This is exactly as historical methodology cannot exclude the existence of a person about whom there is written testimony. The insurmountable limit of...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 500

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Maybe Marcion's gospel really is just a mashup of synoptic verses, almost nothing original, and that's that.

Any objections?