Can we say anything about what was in the gospel attributed to Paul that can shed more light on the subject?Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:37 pm What is the point of discussing Luke in relation to Marcion? What is the value in this? They didn't think Luke wrote the gospel. They attributed that to Paul THE apostle.
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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:32 pm
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SA, sure, a word to the wise is sufficient here. And yet...
Are you trying to help me with the question in the OP? Maybe I am too dense to see the answer or the development towards one.
Are you trying to help me with the question in the OP? Maybe I am too dense to see the answer or the development towards one.
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
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Okay.
What about the OP's question?
What about the OP's question?
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
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Mark 1:1 Origen Commentarii in Ephesios (Fragmenta e catenis) (1) Date: ca.222 - ca.252 Genre: - Theme: Exegesis, Scripture Commentaries Clavis: 1460 Biblio: GREGG J.A.F., The commentary of Origen upon the epistle to the Ephesians, Journal of Theological Studies 3 (1902), 234-244 ; 398-420 ; 554-57...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:16 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
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Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Math and statistics (my degree) papers just go up on arxiv.org
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
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Alright, it makes sense, but I am also unsure if it's other people like Origen quoting it because that's their "Mark."Secret Alias wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:09 pm Come on. We both know. Whenever Paul's "my gospel" is mentioned half the time Mark 1:1 follows.
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:10 pm
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Friedrich Nietzsche, often criticized what he saw as the dangers of excessive systematization in thought and philosophy. Nietzsche's warning about "systemizers" primarily revolves around his critique of philosophers and thinkers who try to fit the world into rigid, all-encompassing system...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:08 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
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Marcion thought Paul wrote a gospel which began with Mark 1:1. That's interesting. I'm down for the idea that Marcion thought Paul wrote a gospel, although I might introduce the variant here that Marcion considered Mark to be Paul's amenuensis for the gospel. But did it start with "the beginni...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
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Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
The methodology of biblical research cannot answer solely on the basis of the text whether the tradition described therein is historical or invented. This is exactly as historical methodology cannot exclude the existence of a person about whom there is written testimony. The insurmountable limit of...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
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Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Maybe Marcion's gospel really is just a mashup of synoptic verses, almost nothing original, and that's that.
Any objections?
Any objections?