I'm also ready to accept this, and I'm curious where we can go with it.
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- Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:14 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
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- Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:04 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
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Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
To be fair to you, John2, you're not the only one who gets this feeling here. Similar impressions are frequently noted in the literature. There's something to be said for the gravitational weight that the story in Hegesippus holds for some people. Hegesippus and/or Josephus is generally someone's fi...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:53 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
- Replies: 43
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Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
And the Second Apocalypse sounds like it's based on Hegesippus too. And they were there and found him standing beside the columns of the temple beside the mighty corner stone. And they decided to throw him down from the height, and they cast him down. And they [...] they [...]. They seized him and ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
- Replies: 43
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Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
I have a different perspective here. It was explained in my posts.
I'm not sure how you think you've justified the conclusion (if you think you have) that there was only ever one story.
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:48 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
- Replies: 43
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Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
After taking another look at Clement ... I'm inclined to suspect that these two sources used Hegeisppus, since they both post-date Hegesippus I agree that Clement post-dates Hegesippus, and I'm just not sure whether Clement used Hegesippus or not. It's possible but not strongly indicated either way...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
- Replies: 43
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Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
... since they both post-date Hegesippus ... As to the date and place of composition, little can be said with certainty . Let's say that we accept this. It would imply that you're unable to use this as an argument for the direction of dependence (for the Second Apocalypse of James). Yet it doesn't ...
- Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
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- Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Date of Marcion
- Replies: 14
- Views: 276
Re: The Date of Marcion
Agrippa Castor apparently wrote a very early refutation of Basilides: https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/201 ... basilides/
- Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Date of Marcion
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Re: The Date of Marcion
Okay, thanks.
- Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:29 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Date of Marcion
- Replies: 14
- Views: 276
Re: The Date of Marcion
Thank you for this post, Ken. It's an interesting point about Basilides using Luke.
In the phrase Marcion's Evangelion, what relationship is there between Marcion and Evangelion?