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- Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:45 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
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Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Sorry, I meant my question in a slightly different sense: Why would inventing a trial before the Romans and a crucifixion make people believe that Jesus was the Messiah? Jews didn’t want to believe in a Messiah who’d died a humiliating death, and crucifixion wouldn’t have fitted well with their exi...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
What sentence even remotely implies that Jesus never existed? it seems to me that the difference escapes to you, between the Jesus lived in the remote past (under Janneus) and, for example, the claim that the historical Jesus was Jesus ben Sapphat, crucified in 70 CE by Titus. In the first case (th...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
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Re: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
For example: Emmaus is the same place where Varus crucified many Jews.
Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).
Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
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Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
I differ from other mythicists insofar I think that: 1) there are traces of hate against the Romans in the first gospel (or its source). 2) these traces of anti-Roman hate are evidence of mythicism. While for other mythicists the replacement of the original killers (demons) with the Romans was only ...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
It is a brute fact that exactly one of : 1. The talmud and the Gospels refer to the same Jesus 2. The talmud and the Gospels do not refer to the same Jesus Is true. it is relative to the thought of the people. For example, Strömholm would answer that 1 is true, while Ellegard would answer that 2 is...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:54 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
But Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE) is using the Talmud to deny the existence of Jesus lived under Pilate.RandyHelzerman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:38 am
Either way, the Talmud is asserting the existent of someone--it is not denying the existence of anybody.
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Forget Carrrier for a minute in a discussion on the historicity of Jesus, you are inviting me to ignore the author of the book 'On the historicity of Jesus' . :lol: I go to memory, but in a note of this book, Carrier says that Jesus could be considered as lived on the earth in the remote past, and ...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Because in either case 1 or case 2 above, nowhere is there a claim that ANY Jesus doesn't exist! Are they the same Jesus? no. Well, then the Talmud is talking about a completely different person. It not saying anything at all about the Jesus of the epistles and letters. You continue to ignore the i...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:16 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
- Replies: 46
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Because in either case 1 or case 2 above, nowhere is there a claim that ANY Jesus doesn't exist! it seems to me that you don't like to deal with the logical implication of a Janneus's Jesus. Assume it. The implication is that the texts (i.e. epistles) preceding the first gospel were referred to tha...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:23 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Ryan Covington (Hume's Apprentice) concedes the absence of evidence of mythicist accusations (even if I disagree ) and yet he writes: A surprising post from M. David Litwa. I’ve asked a question (will post if he answers) about whether Marcion’s ‘cosmic Christ’ was crucified in the upper air or if he...