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by Peter Kirby
Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Re: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

Thanks, Andrew. That is indeed a helpful distinction to make. It makes clear both the possibility of more results (such as the no-history answer you mention) as well as the fact that some of the results involve a broader area than others.
by Peter Kirby
Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Re: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

I'm impressed with how thoroughly unloved this blog post became. My worst yet. :)

http://peterkirby.com/mission-impossible.html

Pro-mythical stuff gets ~50 shares, pro-historicity stuff gets ~50 shares, this stuff gets... 2!
by Peter Kirby
Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Re: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

They said the same thing about the four-minute mile. Fair enough, but even with an exceptional individual who is able to write what should become a consensus account of Christian origins on account of its proper treatment of the historical evidence, a sequence of historical events that are not at t...
by Peter Kirby
Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Megyn "Jesus was a white man ... He was a historical figure"
Replies: 9
Views: 11174

Re: Megyn "Jesus was a white man ... He was a historical fig

It's kind of amazing how technology has made an ignorant newscaster's opinion relevant to millions of people, in a retrograde kind of way.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Re: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

The main reason this position will never be popular is that people (either Christians, non-Christians, anti-Christians) are looking for more exciting solutions in relation with their belief, or lack of. Furthermore, this position will never satisfy Christians or anti-Christians. And non-Christians ...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Re: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

Bultmann is the most famous example of the "bare historicity of Jesus." Thomas Thompson may be the contemporary example of "minimalist history." Their methods are largely the same. The major difference noted is that the former includes the historicity of Jesus and that the latter...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The quest for the historical Christian communities
Replies: 22
Views: 15750

Re: The quest for the historical Christian communities

I think what he's saying is that non-historicist writers think about the documents but not about the communities behind them. If they thought about the communities behind them, they might realize why they are wrong about the historicity of Jesus. (Yes, not sure why, but that seems to be his point.) ...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The quest for the historical Christian communities
Replies: 22
Views: 15750

Re: The quest for the historical Christian communities

It's posturing. First you'll need a Ph.D. to have an opinion, then you will need peer-reviewed publications, then you will need tenure, then you will need a headcount of like-minded peers, then you will need a session at the SBL for the subject, and then they'll slap you on the back and say you were...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus
Replies: 32
Views: 21170

Why There Is Not And Never Will Be Consensus

We can easily distinguish between nine different and irreconcilable approaches to the study of Christian origins, characterized by the amount of intrinsic weight given to the two main sources of ideas that could guide and limit the multiplication of hypotheses: (1) Statements made by the Christian s...