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- Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
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Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
I don't know if I understand the problem. What you present, as I understand it, is not a "historical" problem but a textual problem. The (potential) solution to the problem has historical consequences. It implies, for instance, that one text preceded the other. It also implies that such-a...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
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Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
I don't know if the following is of any interest or point to anyone, or if it needs to be said at all. Maybe it doesn't. But just in case ...... History does not exist "out there". History does not have any reality independent of what we think it is. History is something that is constructe...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Neil, I am wondering what you would make of the following example of historical inquiry. In note 34 on page 28 of Ptolemy's Geography , J. L. Berggren writes: "Siatoutanda" ( Geography 2.11), perhaps from the phrase, "The rebels having departed to ensure their safety ( ad sua tutanda...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Neil does not allow us to meaningfully ask about the historical Red Riding Hood. Nothing bars me from brewing up a hypothesis space and seeing what I can do with it. As a personal matter, it doesn't impress me as a worthwhile use of my resources. That's no problem for anybody else. I am not sure I ...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:17 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
to Neil, But you were joking, right? Do tell me you were joking. My "shit", surely you knew, referred to the debate itself. You did understand that, didn't you... If it was so, you should have written, "the shit of mythicism versus historicism". I feel like I am being supervised...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
When I say we cannot ask certain questions of certain types of data I meant that we cannot meaningfully ask certain questions. We cannot meaningfully ask of a birth certificate when the person died. We know that a birth certificate cannot answer that question so that's what I mean when I say we can...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Neil When I say we cannot ask certain questions of certain types of data I meant that we cannot meaningfully ask certain questions. The best I can make of this line of argumentation is that you are pointing to the practicality for any mortal to choose which problems to work on, and that problems wi...
- Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:12 pm
- Forum: General Religious Discussion
- Topic: How Many Mythicists Identify With the White Right and Why?
- Replies: 40
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- Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
- Views: 234429
Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
The Christian faith is directly based on non-historicity. Unfortunately this is rarely understood and raised in the "debate" (though there is no real "debate" about the historicity of Jesus: for debate we need two sides seriously engaging with each other's arguments and that doe...
- Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
- Replies: 473
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Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
If we do not have copies of birth certificates and school records or any accounts of a figure's past, and we have only a news report of what that figure did later in life (e.g. performed a heroic act saving someone from a burning house), then the data we have does not allow us to ask anything about...