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- Fri May 23, 2014 3:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
to MaryHelena, The Pauline heavenly crucifixion story is a story that has salvation potential. A crucifixion of a man of flesh and blood cannot have salvation potential. Except if that man is also the Son of God, as said by Paul. Explanations in the Pauline epistles and 'Hebrews'. the Pauline writer...
- Fri May 23, 2014 3:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
Bernard Muller wrote: I agree, except for 1 Th 2:14-15 which I am rather certain was not written by Paul and should not be presented as historicist evidence. I see that you practice "textual studies driven by convenience"! I explained why I reject 1 Th 2:14-15 here, top of the webpage: ht...
- Fri May 23, 2014 2:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
to Neil, The normal method is to start with when a document is first attested -- known to exist. Unfortunately, in antiquity, many documents are attested well after they have been published. It might be the normal method for modern texts, but that does not always work for texts from antiquity. There...
- Fri May 23, 2014 2:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
to MrMacSon No; mythicists propositions & arguments about the lack of historicity of Jesus do not rely on verification or lack of verification of the authenticity of the Pauline texts. I think it does for many mythicists, certainly for Doherty and Carrier, who take great pain to "debunk&quo...
- Fri May 23, 2014 2:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
to maryhelena, ... the gospel Jesus story. What we have is a story, the gospel story, set in the Jerusalem below. the Pauline story, set in the 'Jerusalem above" So what is the Pauline story, set in the Jerusalem above? You make it sounds that it is as detailed as the gospel story, which by the...
- Fri May 23, 2014 1:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
For me, Carrier's case is the weaker in that it requires all of his negative arguments* to fall in his favor - that Paul's reference to "James the brother" can't be refering to an actual brother, that Paul didn't really think Jesus was an Earthly descendant of David "born of a woman&...
- Fri May 23, 2014 12:41 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier and Crook debate
- Replies: 70
- Views: 38935
Re: Carrier and Crook debate
Crook's dismissal of Carrier's argument that "born of a woman" in Galatians 4 based on the relative location of the term "figurative"is problematic. Paul's argument in Galatians 4 is cohesive unit. It begins in 4:1 with: What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, h...
- Mon May 19, 2014 9:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: What was the fatal error of James the Just?
- Replies: 25
- Views: 27701
Re: What was the fatal error of James the Just?
to John 2, Well I have to let you have your own opinion on the matter. I presented my case the best I could and I do not want to go back to my arguments. Yes 1:1 and 2:1 mention Christ (as a surname), but that's about all for obvious Christian stuff in the epistle. The letter was not written by Jame...
- Sun May 18, 2014 7:21 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: FINALLY! The correct answer has been posted...
- Replies: 75
- Views: 66515
Re: FINALLY! The correct answer has been posted...
Ulan I think you missed that post:I read your posts, and they were concerning Roman citizens. Which is a valid topic, but not really of interest in the setting of the gospel of Luke.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=594&start=30#p11885
Cordially, Bernard
- Sun May 18, 2014 5:03 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: FINALLY! The correct answer has been posted...
- Replies: 75
- Views: 66515
Re: FINALLY! The correct answer has been posted...
I did not propose or imply that. Read my posts.I still haven't seen any reason for Romans collecting data like that for Galileans of Judean ancestry.
Cordially, Bernard