Search found 1588 matches

by davidmartin
Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

The idea that the first gospel has not been subjected to a lot of editings and expansions can be compared to the fixism in biology. Obviously, it is an irrational theory. Take the Jewish trial of Jesus. It is clearly an apology, for diplomatic reasons, in order to exonerate the Romans. As such it i...
by davidmartin
Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?
Replies: 38
Views: 937

Re: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?

Maybe Tertullian is pushing his definition of Christ here Justin says "And, as we said before, the devils put forward Marcion of Pontus, who is even now teaching men to deny that God is the maker of all things in heaven and on earth, and that the Christ predicted by the prophets is His Son, and...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

what a load of junk this is. so Jesus gets no trial and dies and can't have his body taken down. on the assumption there isn't a base to the story. that is the assumption and the motive becomes clear - to give priority to the epistles! so its just someone with an epistle priority theory that wants t...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
Replies: 35
Views: 698

Re: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos

In Syriac and probably Aramaic 'goodness/blessed' and 'grace' are same root almost same word. one get's translated Agathos (I think? or Makarios) the other Charis (for sure) i mean in Greek they seem unrelated they don't in Aramaic they are very close. Something like TWBA/TWBTA/Towba (msc) vs Taybut...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos
Replies: 35
Views: 698

Re: Boid's Soon to be Published Reference to Shilo = Chrestos

My own pet theory here is that speculation regarding ὁ ἀγαθὸς and ὁ χρηστὸς developed as a result of a two powers in heaven perspective (something you have also remarked on). God always was associated with ὁ ἀγαθὸς because it is the noble good, in and of itself, that is proper to divinity, by defin...
by davidmartin
Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?
Replies: 38
Views: 937

Re: Marcionites thought Jesus wasn't 'Christos'?

If the author has knowledge of a doctrine of "two Christs", then the author would need to have some knowledge of it. If there is some doctrine of the real, non-Jesus "Hebrew" Christ that is allegedly Marcionite, then this allegedly Marcionite doctrine must have developed some pu...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1487

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

dbz, i think the problem is that in the case the epistle's aren't Messianic and date a little later it begs the question - what about the messianic original movement? was there one, or did the church frame it that way in the gospels and acts? i'm just disagreeing with everyone. i flat out think ther...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1487

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters wrote about "Chrestos" (instead of "Christos") in its repeated name for Jesus, but we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. The "Elvis" analogy, if it has any relevance, cu...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1487

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

The basic approach here is based on a fallacy. Trying to discount evidence-against doesn't create evidence-for. There could be evidence for the conclusion that the Pauline letters didn't write about "Christos." But we're not going to get it by counting the amount of evidence-against. Ther...
by davidmartin
Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1487

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

There are 8 references to Jesus being the Messiah in the 13 Pauline epistles (via mention of David, messianic prophecy or messianic title) 6 in Romans, 1 in 1 Corinthians and 1 in 2 Timothy The 7 in the genuine letters are not present in Marcion There are about 55 much stronger references in the gos...