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by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

It seems to me that Klinghardt must be arguing that copyists of canonical Luke altered the readings in Luke in places to a different reading (which according to Klinghardt were from the Evangelion). Klinghardt’s argument for the persistence of *Ev in the Western textual tradition is in chapter 5, b...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

If Marcion utilized the Gospel (which I understood to be the *Ev mentioned earlier in the sentence), then it follows that *Ev existed before Marcion utilized it. Ehh. K’s statement allows that Marcion might have composed it before he “utilized” it. It would be silly to extrapolate from this one sin...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

@Ken Do you mean what explains these variant readings? Or, what theory of the composition, redaction, and transmission of the Gospel manuscript tradition is the best explanation for the evidence that we have?What is the process by which that occured. Yes. Both of those things. If you prefer, just a...
by Ken Olson
Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

I am reformulating the question I asked earlier because the post containing it had other issues (which I hope to get to), but I'm very curious about this: Some manuscripts of Luke 9.35 contain the reading 'beloved' (in agreement with Mark 9.7), rather than the reading 'chosen' which NA 27 and Klingh...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

As some have expressed skepticism (🤨 ) toward what I argued here, I want to pose a question using concrete examples. My point was that you didn’t follow your own rule: cite Klinghardt when making claims about him. Ah! Thank you for the clarification. The emoticon was less than clear on the point. I...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

Klinghardt believes argues (is that better?) that there was an Evangelion before Marcion and that it is the first (i.e., pre-Markan) gospel. When he sees a reading in which the Evangelion differs from canonical Luke, he poses a stark choice: 'either (1) I am right and this was in the original Evang...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7811

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

I cannot find it on the section where he's discussing *Ev 23.6-9, 10-12 in Oldest Gospel 2.1175-1180. I'm glad to hear you've got a copy! Perhaps you see for yourself what I meant about his arguments for Lukan posteriority and assumptions of Markan non-priority being of an entirely different qualit...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 9305

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

I have been willing to evaluate the arguments for the priority of the Evangelion, to Luke or to all the Synoptics, that are based on the presumption that Tertullian and Epiphanius give us accurate information about the text of the Evangelion, and that presumption could plausibly be wrong. If it is ...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 9305

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

(twice mentioned by the Marcionite Marcus in Adamantius) De recta in deum fide XV: "This is what the Judaists wrote the (version): 'I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill (it).' But Christ did not speak in this way; he said rather: 'I have not come to fulfill the law but to abolish ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 9305

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

(twice mentioned by the Marcionite Marcus in Adamantius) De recta in deum fide XV: "This is what the Judaists wrote the (version): 'I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill (it).' But Christ did not speak in this way; he said rather: 'I have not come to fulfill the law but to abolish ...