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- Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:17 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
If Cephas was a different entity than Peter, and a very important one (at least one of the three main pillars in Jerusalem), we would expect some faked epistle(s) attributed to him and early Christian texts stating Peter & Cephas were different persons. But there is none of that except for the ...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
Mt seems Byz Byzantine? As in the renamed Eastern Roman Empire begun in the 4th century AD/CE? Sort of. "Byzantine" is the name of manuscript tradition, as is Alexandrian. Well, yes and no; what is meant is the Byzantine text type. As in Eastern, I presume (?) Well, it may have originated...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
Well, yes and no; what is meant is the Byzantine text type.MrMacSon wrote:Byzantine? As in the renamed Eastern Roman Empire begun in the 4th century AD/CE?spin wrote: Mt seems Byz
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
My guarded words for Justin also apply to Clement: "Justin is clearly referencing either Luke 3.22 or a text/tradition which is intimately connected to Luke 3.22."Secret Alias wrote:Of course the question which can't enter many people's minds is - what gospel is Clement citing?
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
Who is the earliest of the church fathers to attest "You are My Son, this day have I begotten You" was written in Lk 3:22? It is your turn to answer my question now: who is the earliest of the church fathers to attest to the other (the majority) reading specifically in Luke 3.22? If you w...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:59 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
Another one: Clement of Alexandria, Paedagogus 1.6:
For at the moment of the Lord's baptism there sounded a voice from heaven, as a testimony to the Beloved, You are My beloved Son, today have I begotten You.
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
to Ben, None of these testimonies, however, sets forth distinctly the Savior's exalted birth ; but when the words are addressed to Him, You are My Son, this day have I begotten You, this is spoken to Him by God, with whom all time is today, for there is no evening with God, as I consider, and there...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
But not "executioner". And the meaning of "guard" or "bodyguard" is late (tough not too late for Mark), if I remember correct. Okay, I understand your question now. But it is easily answered, I think. Bodyguards commonly served as executioners. Try this paragraph from ...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
to Ben, In your quotes from Justin, Justin was paraphrasing the Synoptic gospels and not necessarily commenting on Lk 3:11. It is not clear where he got "today, I have begotten you". Possibly from faulty memory, influenced by one particular Psalm or 'Hebrews'. It is even less clear for yo...
- Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
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Re: IS THE PROTO-LUKE HYPOTHESIS SOUND?
As I said I disagree with you. My impression is that the best example against your conclusion is the speculator in Mark 6:27. I think this word is completely nonsense, especially for an assumed Latin author. Can you explain what you mean by speculator being "completely nonsense"? I think ...